I really don't like how this champion e is able to block 95% of most champions kits its honestly really unhealthy and shouldn't be a thing. can we please fix his counter strike and how on hit abilities interact with it cause currently its just disgusting and offers little way around it.
Yenn3 votesSame with Pantheon. Attack blocks/dodges either shouldn't consume procs, or they should block the AA damage but still allow the proc to apply (and do damage if it does damage).
XElite1092 votesYe exactly. they already take no damage from the auto so it isn't right for them to just block the effects too. If they wanted to make that unique with panths kit I wouldn't care because its a 1 time thing but jax does that for 3 seconds which is big in league.
Aatrox Airlines2 votesYe exactly. they already take no damage from the auto so it isn't right for them to just block the effects too. If they wanted to make that unique with panths kit I wouldn't care because its a 1 time thing but jax does that for 3 seconds which is big in league.
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Warlord Rhinark2 votesSame with Pantheon. Attack blocks/dodges either shouldn't consume procs, or they should block the AA damage but still allow the proc to apply (and do damage if it does damage).
Pantheon has a bit more leeway though, as his effect only applies once every 4 auto/ability casts, and his Passive is his only defensive tool in his entire kit.
kingDeDeDarius1 votesPanth isn't near as bad as Jax tho.
Warlord Rhinark1 votesBasic attacks and basic attack enhancers don't make up for "95% of most champions' kits".
That being said, I do think something should be done about it.
Maybe make it a channeled ability?
As in, Jax can't use any auto attacks during the channel, and if he uses his Q (because all of his other abilities are just self-buffs), the E will end prematurely.
This means he'll no longer be able to activate his E and then jump on someone with his Q, activating the E again to get an instant stun, and he also won't be able to attack while he has it up.
Champions would also be able to cancel it with hard CC.
I do believe this is the healthiest solution, and would give it counterplay beyond just "run away".
Yenn3 votes[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6jJRbZPX,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-18T07:50:55.648+0000)
Basic attacks and basic attack enhancers don't make up for "95% of most champions' kits".
That being said, I do think something should be done about it.
Maybe make it a channeled ability?
As in, Jax can't use any auto attacks during the channel, and if he uses his Q (because all of his other abilities are just self-buffs), the E will end prematurely.
This means he'll no longer be able to activate his E and then jump on someone with his Q, activating the E again to get an instant stun, and he also won't be able to attack while he has it up.
Champions would also be able to cancel it with hard CC.
I do believe this is the healthiest solution, and would give it counterplay beyond just "run away".
That's entirely wrong, Jax can attack and jump during the channel.
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Pantheon has a bit more leeway though, as his effect only applies once every 4 auto/ability casts, and his Passive is his only defensive tool in his entire kit.
Pantheon does burst damage, he only needs to survive for a short window to kill his target. The main problem with his passive is that he can use it to eat an attack before he stuns, then have it back up by the time the stun ends, at which point he's already done his job.
Warlord Rhinark1 votesThat's entirely wrong, Jax can attack and jump during the channel.
Uhm, yes?
That's what I said?
Because his current E isn't a channeled ability at all.
My proposal was to make it channeled, so that he wouldn't be able to attack and jump.
Pantheon does burst damage, he only needs to survive for a short window to kill his target. The main problem with his passive is that he can use it to eat an attack before he stuns, then have it back up by the time the stun ends, at which point he's already done his job.
Pantheon does do Burst damage, but that doesn't mean he can't have defensive tools.
Other champions that do burst damage (I.E, Assassins) like Zed or LeBlanc have mobility tools that allow them to escape after they've blown someone up.
Pantheon doesn't have an escape tool, so he needs this passive to survive.
Aatrox Airlines1 votes[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6jJRbZPX,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-03-18T09:16:03.993+0000)
My proposal was to make it channeled, so that he wouldn't be able to attack and jump.
His burst combo is e, jump on someone, pop the e, auto-w-titanic and whoever he jumped on is dead. If e was a channel, he would have to jump, e and do nothing for 1 second (thats the tike it takes for reactivation to become available), pop the e and then do his shit. Reminds me of a volibear running at you lmao
Warlord Rhinark1 votes[{quoted}](name=Aatrox Airlines,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6jJRbZPX,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-18T11:32:55.969+0000)
His burst combo is e, jump on someone, pop the e, auto-w-titanic and whoever he jumped on is dead. If e was a channel, he would have to jump, e and do nothing for 1 second (thats the tike it takes for reactivation to become available), pop the e and then do his shit. Reminds me of a volibear running at you lmao
It doesn't sound like much, but it's still something.
It can let a target that got jumped on from a bush time to react and flash away.
We could also remove his ability to reactivate it, but that might leave it almost worthless.
Lord Malpercio1 votesIn addition to Yenn's comments on Jax being able to attack and use his abilities; Jax also reduces almost all other forms of damage (Anything qualifying as AoE) by 40% with his counterstrike. Zed Shurikens, Lucian Ult, Kayn Q and W, ChoGath's -everything- besides ult, Etc. Anything that's not single-target point and click will basically have damage reduced.
It is NOT limited to just auto-attacks.
Warlord Rhinark1 votes[{quoted}](name=Lord Malpercio,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6jJRbZPX,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-03-18T09:08:17.597+0000)
In addition to Yenn's comments on Jax being able to attack and use his abilities; Jax also reduces almost all other forms of damage (Anything qualifying as AoE) by 40% with his counterstrike. Zed Shurikens, Lucian Ult, Kayn Q and W, ChoGath's -everything- besides ult, Etc. Anything that's not single-target point and click will basically have damage reduced.
It is NOT limited to just auto-attacks.
Yes, it isn't limited to just auto attacks, but OP made it sound like his E completely nullifies AOE abilities, which it doesn't, it just reduces damage.
I'm all for removing the AOE damage reduction, but I'd rather have his E count as a channeled ability, and I'm afraid that going through with both changes would leave his E underpowered.
Aatrox Airlines1 votes[{quoted}](name=Lord Malpercio,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6jJRbZPX,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-03-18T09:08:17.597+0000)
In addition to Yenn's comments on Jax being able to attack and use his abilities; Jax also reduces almost all other forms of damage (Anything qualifying as AoE) by 40% with his counterstrike. Zed Shurikens, Lucian Ult, Kayn Q and W, ChoGath's -everything- besides ult, Etc. Anything that's not single-target point and click will basically have damage reduced.
It is NOT limited to just auto-attacks.
25%
Lord Malpercio1 votesMuh bad, wrong number - But point still stands. Goes WAY beyond auto-attacks, particularly since this stacks with his innate defenses (which are high thanks to his FREE STATS BUNDLE ULTI).
Honestly a way to tone him would simply be trim the fat, much like the nerfs to Irelia.
XElite1091 votessee tahts fucking gross
Aatrox Airlines1 votes[{quoted}](name=Lord Malpercio,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6jJRbZPX,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-03-18T09:08:17.597+0000)
In addition to Yenn's comments on Jax being able to attack and use his abilities; Jax also reduces almost all other forms of damage (Anything qualifying as AoE) by 40% with his counterstrike. Zed Shurikens, Lucian Ult, Kayn Q and W, ChoGath's -everything- besides ult, Etc. Anything that's not single-target point and click will basically have damage reduced.
It is NOT limited to just auto-attacks.
Lucian ult is a single target ability that just hits multiple times. One bullet hits up to one target is what i mean. I believe its the same as reworked leblanc - she would get the full 15% healing from gunblade off her q if she ws and qs a wave.
Lord Malpercio1 votesYou'd be correct in assuming that Lucian Ult is single-target based on what it does...
But Riot decided 'fuck logic'. For all intents and purposes, it procs as AoE - This is likely because of potential abuse with DD and GB. You can check this information on the wiki.
XElite1091 votesevery single champion has an auto attack but a lot more champs rely on it than spells. every adcs in the game majority of top and even lux, ziggs, zed, ekko, fizz, and other midlanders rely on an on hit passive to do dmg so if he doesn't counter 95% of champions then he covers a wide amount regardless...and even then spells have cool downs so you need to auto...only champ it doesn't effect is Vlad and Ryze who just spell rotate you to death with no chill.