Why no Sona changes in 5.18?

RedCyclone··30 votes·2,394 views

Thought Ricklessabandon said she was going to be looked into next patch along with Zyra Nami got buffs, Janna got...attention, Karma got buffs, Zyra is getting upcoming changes, Lulu is being looked into, Morgana buffs on pbe

Where is Sona in all this? because she certainly isn't perfect

51 Comments

Arsames6 votes

Sona is a boring cancer champ that takes no skill or mechenix to play, if she gets anything, it should be nerfs, not buffs. Cancerous 0 skill champs like Sona Udyr Nasus Malzahar should never get buffed, only nerfs.

1000angrybees2 votes

you really need to not post on the boards anymore tbh

VAJAYJAYSTANK1 votes

u post saying that useless comment at least he is on topic ur bitching about other peoples comments low life loser.

1000angrybees1 votes

k

RedCyclone11 votes

Okay If she is all that, shouldn't she be a champion who's priority is very large and needs CHANGES

thanks for agreeing with me

Arsames3 votes

Her kit will get rework, but certain champs have higher priority for reworks atm: Poppy Warwick Taric will get the next 3 major reworks.

RedCyclone8 votes

A rework for her would be unlikely, she had one this year

Gorgannan1 votes

Didn't stop them with Rengar :^)

But seriously, while she doesn't need a rework, what she needs is a little less obvious than other champions.

Rundus12 votes

Gr8 b8 m8 I r8 7/8.

VAJAYJAYSTANK1 votes

thats whut u r8 a g8 b8 m8 i rather r8 8/8

Troll for Trump3 votes

.... are you a troll?

Sona Ping2 votes

Yes. Yes, he is; don't reply.

MrWasjig2 votes

That's just like...your opinion man.

Budupops6 votes

because her laning is cancerous enough

RedCyclone8 votes

Yeah, NEEDS CHANGES

holy shit, is no one getting this?

PokladnicaZla1 votes

Yet everyone want to maker her stronger without any consideration for her cancerous lanning phase.

Just make her Q a skillshoot.. Many people were against Soraka's W having a %HP cost and the removal of her mana restoring ability,but those were small prices to pay for her becoming the League's best Healer.Soraka is awesome now,let Sona be awesome guys pls.

Zmuecat3 votes

Sona fans have been pretty much giving the go ahead for change for a long time. Granted, they also will throw a fit when she's nerfed, but most vocal mains of any champion will do that.

PokladnicaZla3 votes

Srsly? From what I have read ~94% of Sona players are agaisnt this change.

Booriin3 votes

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Srsly? From what I have read ~94% of Sona players are agaisnt this change.

If people want to play skillshot supports, they would pick Karma or Nami instead Sona. You should know that there are lot of people who can't enjoy skillshot champion like me, there are bunch of skillshot champions in game already.

Sona mains love Sona because of her identify, being a risky support with reliable poke is Sona's identify too. But since league of legends start turning into a Mortal combat in MOBA mode, everything must be based on skillshot and flashy plays, while Sona is kind of champion who prevent that kind of gameplay, so Riot must rework her kit even she was extremely fine, most Sona main hate that rework, then the nerf chain keep pulling her away from the game and here she is, a mid lane utility mage who used to be a fancy support.

How I miss the old Sona, really

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFNkY5naLAc

PokladnicaZla1 votes

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If people want to play skillshot supports, they would pick Karma or Nami instead Sona. You should know that there are lot of people who can't enjoy skillshot champion like me, there are bunch of them in game already.

Sona mains love Sona because of her identify, being a risky support with reliable poke is Sona's identify too. But since league of legends start turning into a Mortal combat in MOBA mode, everything must be based on skillshot and flashy plays, while Sona is kind of champion who prevent that kind of gameplay, so Riot must rework her kit even she was extremely fine, most Sona main hate that rework, then the nerf chain keep pulling her away from the game and here she is, a mid lane utility mage who used to be a fancy support.

How I miss the old Sona, really

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFNkY5naLAc

Sorry,but this a really bad argument;˝If you want to play skillshoot support play Nami/Karma˝. ? Risky support champion? Standing behind minions pressing buttons and sometimes using AA?Is that the risk? Say what you want but Soraka sounds way more riskier to play than Sona. %maxHP cost with a skillshoot sustain.

You said that she has the identity of a reliable poke support,while her identity should be Aura-Mage/Supprot (as far as I remember). How does Sona prevent Mortal combat in MOBA gameplay?

Booriin1 votes

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Sorry,but this a really bad argument;˝If you want to play skillshoot support play Nami/Karma˝. ? Risky support champion? Standing behind minions pressing buttons and sometimes using AA?Is that the risk? Say what you want but Soraka sounds way more riskier to play than Sona. %maxHP cost with a skillshoot sustain.

You said that she has the identity of a reliable poke support,while her identity should be Aura-Mage/Supprot (as far as I remember). How does Sona prevent Mortal combat in MOBA gameplay?

Soraka can play safe and stand behind her ADC, she can easily out sustain opponents with her heal if her ADC isn't braindead, her aoe silence and heals is decent combo to prevent all-in.

While Sona have to get in AA range to poke and smart ADC in high rank (start popular in platinum V+...I hate Caitlyn ) will poke her back with more damage because Sona is squishy she will lose in 1v1 trade. If a Sona can poke her opponents down by just spam Q bolts, that mean her opponents are extremely bad. Sona is easy to gank since poke play style push lane and her duo are squishy.

Soraka can't land her Q often but when she land it, it heal her ~10-25% HP back (it will heal her even more if Soraka can land on 2 more people). She can even heal herself with item 3083 while stand behind her team with full of HP.


Sona's Auras used to give every allies 10 armor and 10 resist while give healed ally 10 extra armor and resist in 3 seconds - With items like item 3190 she can give her whole team 10 armor 35 resist and **20 armor + 45 resist to healed ally for 3 seconds. ** (old Aura have 3s cooldown with 40% cooldown reduction.)

http://lol.gamepedia.com/Sona_-_The_Maven_of_the_Strings

Her old kit haven't cost too much mana allow her to play passive, make her lane hard to gank.

That is why she prevent that play style.

PokladnicaZla1 votes

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Soraka can play safe and stand behind her ADC, she can easily out sustain opponents with her heal if her ADC isn't braindead, her aoe silence and heals is decent combo to prevent all-in.

While Sona have to get in AA range to poke and smart ADC in high rank (start popular in platinum V+...I hate Caitlyn ) will poke her back with more damage because Sona is squishy she will lose in 1v1 trade. If a Sona can poke her opponents down by just spam Q bolts, that mean her opponents are extremely bad. Sona is easy to gank since poke play style push lane and her duo are squishy.

Soraka can't land her Q often but when she land it, it heal her ~10-25% HP back (it will heal her even more if Soraka can land on 2 more people). She can even heal herself with item 3083 while stand behind her team with full of HP.


Sona's Auras used to give every allies 10 armor and 10 resist while give healed ally 10 extra armor and resist in 3 seconds - With items like item 3190 she can give her whole team 10 armor 35 resist and **20 armor + 45 resist to healed ally for 3 seconds. ** (old Aura have 3s cooldown with 40% cooldown reduction.)

http://lol.gamepedia.com/Sona_-_The_Maven_of_the_Strings

Her old kit haven't cost too much mana allow her to play passive, make her lane hard to gank.

That is why she prevent that play style.

Why is everyone so obsessed with her Q?If you play against a chanpion that pokes so much or has early high burst,wouldn't it better to max W?

Unlike Sona,Soraka can't heal 2 people at a time+shield.

Booriin1 votes

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Why is everyone so obsessed with her Q?If you play against a chanpion that pokes so much or has early high burst,wouldn't it better to max W?

Unlike Sona,Soraka can't heal 2 people at a time+shield.

  1. Mana cost from W is extremely high.
  2. item 3303 unique passive.
PokladnicaZla1 votes

item 3301 item 3096 item 3069 *

Booriin1 votes

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item 3301 item 3096 item 3069 *

item 3301+Soraka = Maximum heal

item 3301+Sona = Maximum boredom

If I have to pick that item, then I rather play Soraka

PokladnicaZla1 votes

Pick it only against oppents you can't burst down or can't trade with (Cait* ).

Zmuecat3 votes

Well, turning it into a skillshot is something that no one explains. So long as it's done correctly, Sona mains will get over it. Most of us just want change and see her improve, not necessarily Q being a skillshot, but something to happen to her to favor her in lane. I, personally, want the tanky support item to be nerfed so it doesn't provide sustain to the ADC AND tank. I think Sona stacks up quite well compared to other nontank supports, it's just that tanks have run the lane for a while.

PokladnicaZla1 votes

The problems (I view it as such) you can't just give direct buffs to such a plain and simple champion,which seems that everybody wants too.

Zmuecat1 votes

And I agree with you for the most part, outside of her E. I'd take early hits for later rewards so long as it wasn't 1% movement speed per level.

PokladnicaZla1 votes

I agree with you on this,her E is really lackluster.But I'm still against any direct buffs to her Q & W.

A Miss Fortune4 votes

Sona's laning phase is cancer? Really?

She uses two abilities and she's out of mana, and unless that Sona Support rushed a Lich Bane her damage is terrible after the first few minutes of the game. I don't even focus the enemy ADC early game because I know that Sona will be significantly more squishy than them and die after a couple of auto attacks.

If you think Sona's laning phase is cancerous you should see Nami.

Budupops1 votes

lol silver reply

Nekusen3 votes

better question, why no Zilean change ? i've seen 10000 times more Sona s than Zilean s

RedCyclone2 votes

I don't know, it's like Riot don't know weather he should be a support or a mid, if they just set their minds on one role for him, he would be fine

manbearswine2 votes

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I don't know, it's like Riot don't know weather he should be a support or a mid, if they just set their minds on one role for him, he would be fine

You've got it all wrong.

Think about it,what is riot's favorite class? Now what class does zilean counter very well?

He will get some attention,in a year or so.

Faded Lich2 votes

Sona is fine though o_o it's just certain supports coughthreshcough are too strong not to pick. It's not a matter of a weak Sona it's a matter of too much strength in other supports.

AdanChristo1 votes

SONA BUFF OR RIOT! im sick of Sona being treated like this, she has a 5% pro pick WTF

RedCyclone3 votes

Don't just buff, a solution to her "being too good at lower elo" problem would help her overall balance

Don't just keep her in the shadow of many other support champions and more thanks to all their buffs, make her relevant again

Slamurai Jack1 votes

Because the 5.18 PBE cycle literally just started? Patience friend.

manbearswine1 votes

I'm guessing because they intend to put very little work into zyra(and although morgana got solid buffs,they didn't take much work either),but for sona they actually want to make changes which will actually achieve something.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

there's still some time before patch 5.18 is released so there's still hope

Booriin1 votes

Well I think it is time to learn something new.

whatever happen to Sona, I just want her Auras to be effective.

I got bored because Sona don't have any change on PBE yet. But I also glad that Riot haven't "rush" her change.

qetzel1 votes

Probably because of this. http://champion.gg/champion/sona

That is a very high win rate for people who don't have many games on her.

RedCyclone2 votes

For the 3rd damn time, you keep on hamming about just how problematic she is, because it's the entire of the purpose of this thread

her ups and downs are all over the place, people above plat don't bother with her since she is outclassed by Nami/Naut ect... but in lower elo's she is so training wheels that she can do well while not knowing shit about her

A PROBLEM WHAT NEEDS CHANGES fuck man, it could be net nerfs, I wouldn't care as long as it's for her stability

DJ Di02 votes

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Probably because of this. http://champion.gg/champion/sona

That is a very high win rate for people who don't have many games on her.

Actually, Sona has more Playerbase Average games than most supports (more than Lee Sin, too.)

She's only behind Thresh, Zyra, and Fiddlesticks.

Gorgannan1 votes

Are the official patch notes out for 5.18 already?

Oh wait, they've put one change up.

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

Still early in the PBE cycle. We'll probably see something pop up in a few days.

Poop Jelly1 votes

I think there should be a tweak for sona in some degree. I think her problem isn't the laning phase but how limited power/peeling she can provide outside laning phase. She actually has a pretty powerful laning phase, so maybe Riot can find a compromise and balance between the two out.

My personal opinion is that she needs more utility. Her Q is alright but falls out really quickly into mid-late game. Her W to me is okay, just okay. Her E is just saddening, tbh. R is her signature move, i wouldn't tap into that, but the empowerment on auras are little to nothing.

It Is I Emoto1 votes

Honestly, I just hope Sona get's more balance changes in this PBE cycle, her poke is extremly strong, mostly because it's targeted and unavoidable, while her W is extremly mana inefficient, and her E is just.. yeah.

I still hope that her passive might get more changes, and gets reworked to something that's not poke based, so her Q can be stronger overall, cause the instant burst from Q active + Aura + Powerchord can be extremly overwhelming to deal with at times. Sona still has to time these propertly, but if she does, it does hurt.

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