Blitzcrank Rework?

deadlychuck·Sep 20, 2014·1 votes·942 views

So a while back, might have even been on the old forums, i recall seeing a thread about blitzcrank having a toxic kit, and how it was in need of a redistribution of power, do to it's heavy reliance on Q (for both good and bad reasoning). I know there isn't as much money involved in reworking him, but is that still on the list of "Things to do" for riot? I mean even if that means removing his pull completely because the concept itself is just incapable of being balanced.

Frankly i'd rather seem him disabled until a viable rework was determined, but some people seem to find a 0 skill 1 button champion is fun to play. It's nice to know that riot has really been looking at their champion gameplay designs though. both have very flexable gameplay but are not over loaded.

15 Comments

ItzonSep 21, 20141 votes

Why you hatin?

deadlychuckSep 21, 20141 votes

because the toxicity is making me sick

Lord Graves IIISep 21, 20141 votes

If you mad then you mad. Take a breather and come back in a while. Blitz's kit isn't exactly the height of toxicity. He has been balanced to avoid this and he has as much counterplay as anyone.

deadlychuckSep 21, 20141 votes

What is there to possible counter play a blitzcrank?! it's literally a question of if you get hit you're as good as dead and if you don't you get hit you live, or at least you're forced to flash assuming it's up.

And it is one of the most toxic kits in the game, by toxic i'm not talking about overpowered or overloaded, i mean it's designed in a why which is actually just not fun to play as or against, and it forces you to play passive just as a result of it existing. It's to binary in how you win or lose as a result of a single skill shot. What if Anivia Q, Zyra E, Janna Q, Karma ult/Q, could insta-killed you if you didn't flash?

Hell the difference between a good and a bad blitzcrank is if they can press W+E and run strait at you to force a free Q hit.

Lord Graves IIISep 22, 20141 votes

What is there to possible counter play a blitzcrank?! it's literally a question of if you get hit you're as good as dead

Ok first of all, since it is a skillshot (and not an easy one at that) not getting hit or keeping minions between you IS counterplay.

Once dodged blitz hook has a long cooldown giving big window's of engagement. Its also is blocked by minions. Its actually a very hard to land skillshot. I can tell you aren't thinking clearly. I can tell because you aren't complaining about Thresh who has all the same strengths as blitzcrank and then some.

What if (blah blah blah it doesn't quote champ pictures.) could insta-killed you if you didn't flash?

Zyra E, and Anivia Q actually can win that way. And anivia doesnt need anyone to help her do it. She can chunk you for 2/3rds your health all on her own.

Hell the difference between a good and a bad blitzcrank is if they can press W+E and run strait at you to force a free Q hit.

Blitzcrank had his base stats nerfed into the ground to add risk to this technique. He isn't really tough enough to do this unless he is really ahead, and if he is ahead enough to do it then you already need help from your jungler. He has actually been made weak enough that unless he pulls you clear into his own minion line he isnt even likely to win the trade. You say being hooked is a complete death sentence but it actually isn't. It isn't any more than thresh hook or Nami bubble is. Blitz has virtually no damage to follow up on his hook, its all on his marksman. I don't see why you can't both start hitting his marksman with everything you have and taking them out.

Hes like leona if she didn't have damage. When leona hooks you, you ignore her and kill her marksman. Same deal with blitz. It is more terrifying and jarring ill admit but its not really any more powerful. If he pulled you into his minions and they are winning the trade for him then frankly you deserved to get hooked. Blitz is notably better at supporting jungler ganks but there are other ways to avoid ganks (like warding) and he is allowed to have unique strengths like that.

All of this is not including matchups. Alistar For an alistar support, blitz hooks do his job FOR him.

FireTendencySep 21, 20141 votes

Maybe decrease his ap ratios But removing his pull? That would just Change everything about blitz

deadlychuckSep 21, 20141 votes

the problem isn't his ratios, it the utility of the pull. He could have no ratios at all and still be viable.

Lord Graves IIISep 21, 20141 votes

When balanced as a support, this isn't actually a problem.

deadlychuckSep 21, 20141 votes

Yeah if only he was actually designed as one and not forced into the role due to an overpowered Q from release.

Lord Graves IIISep 21, 20141 votes

The issue isnt that blitz is toxic. His kit is just old, from back before Riot knew what they were doing.

Frankly i'd rather seem him disabled until a viable rework was determined, but some people seem to find a 0 skill 1 button champion is fun to play.

This statement actually sorta pisses me off. Riot has NEVER DONE THIS! Not even to old Eve, who needed disabled worse than anyone. Nerf him into the ground sure, don't disable a champ just because some people dislike them.

Blitzcrank was originally designed as an attack damage fighter. Its why his kit has nasty powerful AD ratios on it.

But Blitz doesn't have AD ratios dude

Yeah he does. His uppercut deals double damage including crit. It doubles all AD and any crit damage that goes out. Also he has an attack speed steroid, and it used to be a big one.

His kit isn't inherently bad. It just kept getting nerfed to make him a balanced support. I personally would love to see blitz reworked into a bruiser tank with support capabilities, rather than a tanky mess with ratios all over the place.

deadlychuckSep 21, 20141 votes

i'm not sure who you are quoting with that second one, but it wasn't me. I know they will not disable him, but the problems with the design are so massive that i can't believe he has been allowed to remain in the state he is. A single skill shot with a 100% pull range which goes over walls is inherently impossible to balance compared to the power of other kits.

Yes i know he was designed to be a top lane AD bruiser, but when you have a grossly lopsided kit that's the kind of thing that happens.

Lord Graves IIISep 21, 20141 votes

The second quote was pre-emptive. Im used to people claiming blitz doesn't scale with AD.

He was NOT designed as a top lane bruiser. Top lane bruisers were not a thing when he was designed. He was just designed as a bruiser. Top lane being the bruiser lane wasn't even a thing back then.

I'd argue a pull is not inherently impossible to balance. It might be at its current range, but again, I feel blitz needs power shifted in his kit. Darius has an AOE pull and he is balanced. :P

I'd also argue the issues with his design are not even that massive. He just has a muddied identity. There are kits far worse off than blitzcrank. He is useful on a team and has a niche.

EDIT: upon further reading, it sorta sounds like you just got trashed by a good blitzcrank recently. Take a breather maybe?

deadlychuckSep 21, 20141 votes

if by "trashed" you mean lost to yes, and if by "good" you mean died due to 1 hook 12 minutes in which turned a tied lane into an impossible to recover situation then, yes he was "good".

I'd argue his kit as is, is impossible to balance because it's whole concept is designed in a why which does exactly what riot or anyone doesn't want to see. Passive aggressive game play from just existing. It'd be like never engaging your lane opponent because Karthus is in the game. Even if blitz can only lane a single pull all game, the amount of value you get out of him by just standing in a position to act like you're going to pull them is insane.

Lord Graves IIISep 22, 20141 votes

Dude, you are mad an on a warpath. You didn't come in here for a discussion, you are looking for an echo chamber at best an an angry mob to agree with at worst.

Once dodged blitz hook has a long cooldown giving big window's of engagement. Its also is blocked my minions

Lord Graves IIISep 22, 20141 votes

You are just saying

overpowered Q from release.

and

if you get hit you're as good as dead

But you didn't really support these statements. Why is blitz a big problem when Thresh isn't?

You sound like when new bronze players complain about tryndamere. I'd still recommend calming down. Or better yet, go play some blitzcrank. It will give you a real appreciation for his weaknesses.