Why can't they just make all mana users resourceless?

Strawberrycocoa·Apr 10, 2016·3 votes·371 views

Mana users already suffer from being resource-gated when their AD counterparts have infinite resources, without a measurable difference in damage output. Why not just cut the cord on the whole concept of "mana" and make them solely cooldown or energy based?

Even without mana, "mages" and "assassins" will be clearly distinct in terms of how they help a team due to their different kits. There isn't a reason to gate people by mana anymore, it's clearly a dying beast. Put it to pasture and level the playing field.

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4th Chiming LambApr 10, 20162 votes

Mana users already suffer from being resource-gated when their AD counterparts have infinite resources

What game are you playing? ADCs have mana. Mana isn't a dying beast, it's to stop spell spamming. And, if mana was a dying beast, please look at these champions, all of which use mana is some way:

Ahri Alistar Amumu Anivia Annie Ashe AurelionSol Bard Blitzcrank Braum Caitlyn Cassiopeia Chogath Corki Darius Diana Draven Ekko Elise Evelynn Ezreal Fiddlesticks Fiora Fizz Galio Gangplank Garen Gragas Graves Hecarim Heimerdinger Illaoi Irelia Janna JarvanIV Jax Jayce Jhin Jinx Kalista Karma Karthus Kassadin Kayle Khazix Kindred KogMaw Leblanc Leona Lissandra Lucian Lulu Lux Malphite Malzahar Maokai MasterYi MissFortune Morgana Nami Nasus Nautilus Nidalee Nocturne Nunu Olaf Orianna Pantheon Poppy Quinn Rammus Ryze Sejuani Shaco Singed Sion Sivir Skarner Sona Soraka Swain Syndra TahmKench Talon Taric Teemo Thresh Tristana Trundle TwistedFate Twitch Udyr Urgot Varus Vayne Veigar Velkoz Viktor Volibear Warwick MonkeyKing Xerath XinZhao Yorick Ziggs Zilean Zyra So...can you please explain to me how mana is a "dying beast"?

StrawberrycocoaApr 10, 20162 votes

Because non mana users have equal or better damage output without any nof the constraints enforced upon mana users. THEY can spam as much as the want, they have only cooldowns to worry about.

Zone of EndlessApr 10, 20162 votes

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Because non mana users have equal or better damage output without any nof the constraints enforced upon mana users. THEY can spam as much as the want, they have only cooldowns to worry about.

Which is a really dumb design that somehow Riot thinks is good.

4th Chiming LambApr 10, 20161 votes

But the ratios and cooldowns that they have are usually worse than the mana-users. Mana is a HUGE component in playing, and removing it would be a terrible idea balance-wise and common-sense-wise

Critmaster GarenApr 10, 20161 votes

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Because non mana users have equal or better damage output without any nof the constraints enforced upon mana users. THEY can spam as much as the want, they have only cooldowns to worry about.

they have higher utility and lower cooldowns instead.

though i garee that the current essence raver should not exist. pre rework essence reaver was a dedicated caster item. this new essence reaver is just bullshit.

ViashinoWizardApr 10, 20161 votes

Ryze "pls no"

MeriipuApr 10, 20161 votes

can we just give the shitters like yasuo/riven/garen mana already

give zed and lee mana in addition to their existing resources too for good measure

WolfessApr 10, 20161 votes

lol u want champs like Ryze Cassiopeia Leblanc Blitzcrank Swain Anivia Lux to be resourceless? lol u funny. imagine them runnning around with 40-45% cdr and no mana to worry about.