Tanks-Support Tanks-Acceptable Tank Supports-Off-tank supports

creatureplex··2 votes·1,552 views

Alright Tank Supports are as follow

Alistar, Leona, Tahm Kench, Braum-Support Tanks-All these tanks have many ways of CC and ways of protecting their adc, and also as well have several ways of being able to tank for the entire team. Blitzcrank, Galio, Malphite, Maokai, Nautilus, Poppy, Shen, Trundle-Acceptable Tank Supports-These tanks have more than one way to protect their adc, don't require farm of their own which is why Cho'Gath, and Sion aren't on this list, because for them to be tanky they kind of need to get kills.....which is a lot harder doing as a support tank rather than doing it in the jungle or top lane. Difference support tanks don't need items to make them tanky their kits are designed to make them tanky without items, while Acceptable tanks don't need farm as much but come around mid game they need to start getting items to become the tank for their team, but because of their initial tankiness protecting their adcs is relatively easier and they're less likely to die from harass. Off-tank supports-Thresh, Taric, and Nunu are perfect examples of a off-tank support, they aren't like your tanks above they can build tanky but they aren't wanting to be on the front line as much they want to sit back and make plays only being there as a way to increase teammates by either saving them with a lantern or creating invulnerability zones.

Other noticeable tanks that you can see as support are Volibear, Illoai, Cho'Gath, and Sion-My problems with these tanks is:

Volibear: he can charge in flip an enemy and really be a bitch to deal with making people want to kill him but once he goes in he risks leaving his adc to be ganked, even if warded properly Volibear would then put himself at a very vulnerable position!

Illoai: The pull is great but in reality has zero form of CC and once it's used there's really not much she can do if the enemy works their way around her! 2 v 1 enemy adc, chances are they'll kill her adc before Illaoi and her adc is able to kill the soul!

Cho'Gath: What makes Cho'Gath tanky in the first place is he needs to feed as much as he can the earlier the better even with relic shield it will never truly be enough. He has to constantly hold himself back from getting kills or risk starving the crap out of his adc in doing so.

Sion: Sion is the same way his W is what makes him tanky like Garen, the more he kills the more permanent health he gets though unlike Garen this doesn't tap out, he can't cs at bot lane, if enemy doesn't feed kills to them Sion becomes little more than a simple annoyance. The kit for Sion is nice and has potential to support, but his W alone same with Garen is the main reason he's not a support tank!

Now I know people will disagree but their is reason why there are different tanks! Some can do while others not so well! All tanks are tanks even Warwick that lifesteal he's builds really tanky he becomes this annoyance that can make you want to throw your computer down the stairs, but Warwick is not a good example of a good support tank.

32 Comments

Handy Sandy 1 votes

Sejuani ?

creatureplex1 votes

Sorry Sejuani is also an acceptable tank has good CC and has several ways to protect their adc!

1wolfpack1 votes

Ekko

creatureplex1 votes

Ekko is not a tank! Like at all! And he's certainly not a support mainly he does way too much damage to be a reliable support choice!

1wolfpack1 votes

you can always build him with tanky items. how does doing damage make him an unreliable support choice?

creatureplex1 votes

Damage is good see Annie but his one lockdown is very reliant on deception but Ekko got hit hard with nerfs to the point where building him like a tank is no longer a good thing anymore. Before the nerfs when he was broken to all hell yeah I could see it working in fact it was cancer to be honest, but now no you build him tank his damage is going to be really really low and it's like a dr. mundo that can't hit his ax, just move around him.

khorney1 votes

warwick can give u attack speed and good enage if he supps ........ so who cares.

creatureplex1 votes

Yeah except and correct me if I'm wrong but almost every support has a way of canceling his ult or simply interrupting Warwick is probably by far one of the worst options for a support tank and it easily kitable until he reaches level 6 after that keep distance and poke him Warwick is no threat as a support.

Requiemsfire1 votes

Losing out on 2 Max HP per enemy slain won't stop me from going Sion Support. The issue with volibear botlane is that generally supports have some kind of ranged CC and that unlike a lot of supports Volibear loses hard to a lot of match ups.

creatureplex1 votes

There's a reason Sion support is not very popular his CC is not very strong since his Q is easily dodgeable any of the tanks above would make a much stronger support than Sion would.

Requiemsfire1 votes

Well Sion's playrate is like 0.58% in plat and above. He statistically plays support 17% of that with a good 56% winrate according to champion.gg.

Sion's CC isn't as unreliable as some might think. It works best with ADC's like Lucian or Draven. As with most supports you want to prioritise bush control because if the enemy doesn't have any vision of you, they won't be able to see your Q charge up. Outside of that you want to be able to use your shield to soak damage as per usual, and then use your E to slow them and set up your Q. You'd be correct in saying Sion support is very niche, because generally when you pick it, it's to cover something in your composition missing such as hard initiation.

creatureplex1 votes

Personally he's a way better farmer, that's my issue with him, he needs those kills to fully be a tank, in essence if your team really needs a tank cuz your top and jungle didn't grab one than going someone else for support tank would be a better option since Sion needs that for his shield. Now if you have another tank on your team than yeah Sion niche support if he can catch people and grab bush control but if he can't get that say blitzcrank leona, it's going to be a very hard lane for him if downright impossible due to his little utility to protect his adc. Which this not forget that is the true purpose of a support is to protect your adc.

Requiemsfire1 votes

While I might partially agree he is very niche I don't feel you've actually played Sion or played him in the support role and really underrate his value. it's not about getting kills, its about controlling the lane through constant aggression and zoning as Sion always does. He transitions really well in team fights and still does get moderately tanky with just regular support items as anyone would. Blitzcrank isn't really a tank nor I do I think he could accomplish as much in terms of utility during team fights as Sion.

creatureplex1 votes

I've played against several Sions I know there power and what they can do I fear their power and what they can do, I'm glad of the delay he is a very very strong champion just not as a support. As for blitz yes he is a tank, his passive gives a very strong barrier and just because most don't abuse this, blitz can pull someone forcing everyone to fuck him up before he well decimates the enemy adc with his combo. Even without his pull he can still charge up tank some damage knock someone up silence the mage and anyone around when he ults, he is a true tank not the best but a tank none the less. Sion is also a tank but his shield makes up his tankiness, most tanks have it in their kits, when Sion is support he can't get kills therefore less gold to buy tank items to make him more of a tanky threat. Now he's kind of just that dumbass you see running into walls lmao sorry had to. Point is there are better options, Sion is kind of a chessy option either he dominates that lane or he regrets ever starting the game.

RogueWill1 votes

so no Sejuani ?? basically the same as Leona just trading longer CD for better wave clear. Leona will also become considerably more tanky but sejuani would do considerably more damage regardless if she is a emanate or alone.

DrMundo ?? basically a poke tank, you keep poking with your Q and harass enemy. Probably can win every all in due to the amount of damage he will do, the only exception is burst based ADC which will probably kill your ADC too fast for you to put pressure. Also forces one of the laners to get ignite which half of the times is suboptimal.

TheSingularity1 votes

Sej has lower burst, less hard cc and her kit ramps up over a fights duration (her passive+w, E spam). She's flat out squishier, weaker dmg wise and less reliable than leo.

Mundo: Assuming they position themselves in a way that allows you to relebtlessly q them. One executioners calling and he's done doing anything aggressive (no need for ignite and they can constantly shut down ur passive)

Not to say they couldn't do it. But more so that there's a reason that people don't do it being they're flat out weaker supports than others and would be more effective in their usual position

RogueWill1 votes

I don't know why you think Sejuani has lower burst than Leona. In fact Leona need 2 aa from his laner proc her passive to catch up on burst with sejuani. Leona Burst assuming a 1/3/1/1 at level 6 will do a total damage of 670 with 2 passive proc and 2 aa of her own. (250+30+140+60+100+90passive) while Sejuani would do the same without the need of your teamate procing your passive. with 1/3/1/1 she gets 674 (250+80+114(using only sej base HP and assuming enemy adc has at least 500 HP)+80+150) and using 1/1/3/1 (250+80+60(using same assumptions)+130+150) , bare in mind that is only one 2 sec trades (the duration of her cc) on both cases, you could argue that leona teamamte can proc more than 2 passive but realistically you only get at max 3 so it will be left with an extra 45 damage that can easily be surpassed by the 2 sec left on sejuani W but yous aid burst so I'll leave it at 2 sec. Also sejuani will scale with HP which she can rush even as support, leona won't get any scaling on damage at all (she will get tankier). Point Sejuani

Regardless the tanky part, leona will get an extra 30 armor at level 6, but first two levels sejuani will have 10 armor advantage from there one leona will have 10,20 and 30 advantage respectively. Is not really much difference but I guess point for Leona.

Reliability, like I explained earlier sejuani doesn't need to time and space the abilities like leo to obtain maximum output (so your teammate can aa between abilities). Also leona E+Q combo last around 1.5 sec and requires leona to aa after the dash to apply the stun delaying the cc (some players are able to flash on that time, sejuani has no delay on the ability and her cc is a knock up which cant be reduced (leona can) the exact duration is 1.25 sec i believe so the difference is 0.25 sec. both abilities (leo E and Sej Q are similarly easy/hard to hit, leo is a tad longer but sej is a tad wider. Leona ult also has a delay while sejuani is easier to hit at close range and similarly at long range, also the stun radius is larger on sejuani and since is a projectile it can hit along the trajectory so you only have to aim on the general direction and not on the exact place to get teh stun. Duration wise she gets another 0.25 sec extra. The difference is that Sejuani still has her 1.5 sec slow which should even out CC diration. Leona has 0.5 sec extra hard CC, but sejuani has 1 sec extra total CC, while sejuani can burst much faster than leo and is more reliable on doing so. Also...mobility wise leona is stiffer than .... So reliablity I will give the point to sejuani.

I main tanks and have a lot of games under the belt with both Sejuani and Leona and I can tell you with clearity what I said on my first post. You are trading longer CD for more damage, reliability and wave clear. Leona would be able to go in more often than sej but when they clash and everything is out of CD sej will win everytime hands down.sej.

TheSingularity1 votes

Fair points brew. I know when imma beat <3 was basing my opinion on her lane performance in mid/top and thus assumed, given her vulnerability to poke and the popularity of vayne/cait that she wouldn't be that much better down bot.

Nothen on mundo doe?

RogueWill1 votes

Mundo is way harder to make an argument for and I'll admit I have a bias opinion about him (during season 2 I played only 2 champions tristana and mundo, tristana on adc and mid and mundo every other lane). Like I said he is a poke lane and maxing his Q doesn't go too far from his usual build on any other lane. He gets bullied out pretty often and needs another poke adc or a burst adc next to him to compensate for his weakness, if you have an adc that needs constant carelike vayne or ezreal then he is close to usueless since the enemy will get position of the lanes. In all fairness Mundo is a niche pick on support and is quite hard to make an argument without being bias so I decided to skip it xD

TheSingularity1 votes

Well was still awesome to see someone else who is as biased about a tank as I am. Soooo out of curiosity.... Who's your all time favourite champ? Least favorite champ? The 3 champs you never want to see on the enemy team

Your favourite role+champs in said role?

But ew.... fuk tristana and her silly "fuck your dash" ultimate XD

RogueWill2 votes

My favorite champion of all time is actually Mundo, but he is trash on the jungle and I'm trash on top. Hopefully this season jungle will be more fair on him since the big targets are going to be alone and small targets can be killed with burning agony. I think Naut will do better but as long as is a viable pick and not just a troll pick I'm fine. Besides mundo, nex on my list are Vi and Sejuani, vi for the brawler feel and is the closest I'm going to get to a champion that uses brass knuckles as a weapon, I like Sejuani out of her "personality". Kit wise my favorite champions are Maokai, Braum and Nautilus all of them are completely team dependent thou which kinda sucks.
My least favorite champ is Udyr....honestly i don't know how people do well with that mess of a champ, he is not good at anything besides dueling and roaming the map and those two concept hardly work well for a jungler.

The champs I never want to see picked are, Tahm Kench, Vayne and the new Brand. All of them for the same reason, they have the ability to remove any mess up they do. Tahm kench can get teamates out of sticky situations and his grey health make it almost risk free for him, Vayne will simply turn on you and kill you and your teamtes and brand....brand does actually more damage on 2v1 than 1v1 and still is hard to deal with on lane. So he will win his lane and if you try to gank he will just trade a kill for a kill on worst case scenario and get a double on his best.

Favorite role is jungle. I play Sejuani mostly, Vi for her thematic and Naut for his kit. None of them are currently strong but I'm pretty sure the new changes are direct buff for naut and Sej since the big camps are now alone and they thrive on clearing weak opponets with their AoE Damage. When I can't play Jungle, I play support (if i know the adc) with decent enough pools. For the other lanes I can play Annie Mid and Trundle and Garen top. Adc I can play only tristana.

Abotu Tristana I need a champion easy to learn that could remove any mistakes I did and woudl do well even if I did bad. I was leaning league after all, tristana had the bonus that she could be played AP and AD so I didn't have to learn an extra champion when I was stuck on mid. Bear in mind that season 2 Top and ADC where the most popular roles instead of today Mid and Jungle so there was a big chances you would get Mid.

TheSingularity1 votes

Omg....... could it be...... my north american double!

Same favorite role with a similar champ pool. But switch sej with naut(mah bae) and add on 22 other tanks (bruisers are built full tank) and that'd be me (some say a big champ pool isn't always good, but every tank plays out almost identical to each other in the jungle).

Agreed on the vayne.... she needs a new w and to not kog maw better than kog maw XD

As for trist... I'm in the same boat with full AD illaoi (recent pickup) as I'm..... to put it bluntly mechanically retarded.

Soz about my illogical exitement but utility tank mains are practically non existent on OCE [zombie-nunu-hearts]

RogueWill1 votes

Well is not like I can't play them, if it is a tank I can play it on a jungle with moderate success, is just that I will be dependent on my team to win since I can't carry them on my shoudlers like I can with Sejuani xD. I mean I played 45 champions this season on ranked, most of them tanks or buisers build on a weird way

creatureplex1 votes

Sejuani is another nice pick tank support I kind of forgot her my bad there, Dr. Mundo though no one CC effect and it's very reliant on catching an enemy out of position in this day age dealin with Blitzcrank, Morgana, and or Lux adcs are kind of used to staying behind minions maybe Dr. Mundo and Miss Fortune since miss fortune can easily punish you for sticking behind minions too much but other than her I don't really see dr. mundo being much of a threat as a support tank.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Taric can and will sit in the front lines if need be. His kit allows him to play front or back line, it depends on their team and where you place your W. I would call him a pure tank support, he can tank as a front liner or he can play a more utility supportive role in the back lines.

creatureplex1 votes

Taric isn't a true tank, he has that armor that's really nice but since everything is delayed he can't really get cc off right away which is why he's much better as someone in the back off-tanking a bit peeling and setting up plays. Like Garen, he can come running in silence the mage and e the front line with his W, Taric can't really do that he can win a lot of 1 v 1 against others because he's sleeper at top lane people don't really realize how strong he actually can be when he builds some damage, but he's not a good option when your team really needs a tank.

creatureplex1 votes

The problem we are seeing like Annie sup Vel'Koz, Brand, three mages that are not really supports or Lux getting dorans, is simply because a lot of people don't wanna play support so they're trying to run someone else there every actual support in this game even Ashe is a more viable support, some tanks can do it like mention above and Sejuani to my mistake there, but others can't manage it for reasons whether because they rely on farming, lack of CC, easily countered, zero protection from ganks. What makes a good support is as follows, someone that has heals, or shields, stuns, snares, silences, steroids slows, for example Soraka, Sona heals for days, Janna, Morgana, shields, Zyra, Morgana, Lux snares, Soraka, Fiddlesticks silences, Janna, Lulu, Sona steroids, Ashe, Braum, for slows. These are supports these are the champions that can play support with no issue. There are a few exceptions like Ashe, or Fiddlesticks that just aren't very strong supports at the moment and probably never will be, but against certain matchups yeah they could be niche picks. If you are playing support you are sacrificing everything to help your team win. You aren't trying to shine, your risking your life for your team, you are doing everything you can to set up plays, protect and peel for your team. If you are simply playing support because you couldn't get mid or another position I'm sorry that sucks but support is not useless yeah I get it sometimes you get crappy adcs, I've supported to did real fucking good job of it to. But when you are running a Lux down there with a doran's ring what are you going to do if your lane doesn't get a lot of kills? You know what I always tell my junglers it's simple if Lux grabs a doran's ring camp bot a lot get my adc ahead, because that's the thing about a kill lane if they can get kills and someone gets ahead of them they're going to have a really rough game. Punish kill lanes by babysit the lane forcing this Lux or any other mage that's not a support to stop choosing these champs for bot they only work when the enemy allows it to! Kill lanes are easy to beat and very predictable what you are trying to do. If you really like this game, then you wouldn't mind doing any position regardless of what it is, support, top, bot, mid, jungle, you would do it and have fun doing it.

Requiemsfire1 votes

Just want to note, that of the champions mentioned Brand is the most viable off-support simply because he doesn't rely on items as heavily as other mages. As long as he is around he makes the enemy think twice about grouping, thrice if he has built Rylai's crystal scepter because that's very difficult to deal with.

creatureplex1 votes

That's true but the fact that it's very hard to land his q at bot lane is what makes him not as reliable I shun certain mages that like playing support like Annie, Brand, Vel'koz, I'm sure their are a few others, one cc effect hardly makes you a viable support ntm in almost every way annie is a better support than Brand is, yes zoning an adc out of a powerful tool but once annie has her stun that in itself is a zone out phych out, she doesn't even have to hit you for you to worry about her, because all it takes is one flash tibbers and your dead, while with Brand you can dodge the abilities especially his pillar and if he's not hitting you with it, his damage output is significantly lower.

MorgManBasher1 votes

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That's true but the fact that it's very hard to land his q at bot lane is what makes him not as reliable I shun certain mages that like playing support like Annie, Brand, Vel'koz, I'm sure their are a few others, one cc effect hardly makes you a viable support ntm in almost every way annie is a better support than Brand is, yes zoning an adc out of a powerful tool but once annie has her stun that in itself is a zone out phych out, she doesn't even have to hit you for you to worry about her, because all it takes is one flash tibbers and your dead, while with Brand you can dodge the abilities especially his pillar and if he's not hitting you with it, his damage output is significantly lower.

I am a Diamond support main and I main Brand Zilean Velkoz Zyra Veigar I would like to see any Annie try to out lane me as Brand lmao. Literally Annie is your bitch in lane and her only chance to even do anything is when she is 6 with stun and that's why you shit on her pre-6 and make her and her ADC rage quit

Brand even see's competitive play sometimes (rarely but sometimes) as support.

Literally you can play anything support if you are good enough at the champion and knowing how to get fed. When smurfing one of my favorite supports/kill lane characters is AP Ezreal with hybrid reds. You make people extremely miserable in lane while also having mobility to solo carry games. Your Q procs pickpocket as well as your spellthief making you extremely rich.

People that want to support their team, that's cool but I'd rather hard carry from the support role while CCing for my ADC when needed. Expecting your ADC to carry you especially in low ELO isn't how I do things though.

creatureplex1 votes

So wait you are a diamond league player and yet 3 out of your five choices aren't even really supports, Vel'Koz being the only one there I feel should be a mage support if his ult didn't do so much damage that is anyways. Here I thought if I got out of bronze I stop having to deal with trolls. Before anyone argues sorry I feel a support is someone that has very good, steroids, shields, cc not just one ability, hence Brand, and Veigar, other than the timely very skill shot oriented stun, what else do they offer in terms of support, oh my bad damage which the point of a support champion isn't about the damage they do it's about the utility they have to defend or set up plays. Hence why I'm starting to dislike this game is because a support should rely on their utility not their damage.

Drackolus1 votes

Nautilus is a little closer to a true tank support, but decidedly he is not as tanky without items compared to specifically Leona, who shares a similar kit and role as kill-tank. However, naut can pull out a bit more damage to a single target and cc, and is significantly better at disrupting a lot of enemies at once. Also, Sion is a very high winrate support ing plat+, so he's certainly effective... Illaoi's real weakness is that she can only prevent damage by zoning or dealing a lot of damage. Having more opponents allows greater ult potential. A perfect fight is when she counter-engages (like Zyra), and the enemy must either stay in the ult too long or back out... It really only works if her adc also has a very firm grasp of Illaoi and, as is always true of Illaoi, the enemy makes a mistake for her to punish. Also, she is very item reliant, and will fall of mid-lategame. Malphite, and to a lesser extent Galio, are a bit too ult-reliant to work in a duo lane unless they're against a passive support like Janna or Soraka.

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