Fiddlesticks in the current jungle

Cryptocurrency·7/31/2017, 6:58:13 PM·16 votes·1,031 views

Are they any plans for Fiddlesticks? He had a bad winrate paired with a low pickrate for a long time now (even experience player struggle with him).

Fiddlesticks is no stranger to indirect nerfs (Magus > Runic Echoes, fear changes, Zhyonas Hourglass changes) but also the jungle changes him hard.

Buff monsters loses their minions:

  • Fiddlesticks no longer gets bounces with his Dark Wind. For an entire jungle clear this adds over 20 seconds of extra clearing time. This alone kills the champion.
  • For reference, Nocturne now clears the jungle almost a full MINUTE faster than Fiddlesticks. They had about equal clear time before.

Raptor buff having more small raptors:

  • Even though Fiddlesticks likes jungle camps to have more than one creep, it can easily become too much. Old raptor camp was already pushing it, and the new one is extremely inefficient with Fiddlesticks E.

New Krugs:

  • The new Krugs is a cool idea, but it completely fucks the way Fiddle clears the jungle. If you use your Dark Wind the krugs die fast, but you have it on cooldown as the smaller ones appear and you have to drain and auto them down individually. It just takes way too long. This camp is almost never worth doing as Fiddlesticks. Krugs were his fastest camp before and now it's by far his weakest.

Removal of Raptor smite buff:

  • Fiddlesticks was the best user of the Raptor smite buff in the game. Period. He completely relied on it to get surprise ultimates off. With that gone every ultimate is a gamble unless you have a sweeper or control ward area, which takes time and setup. Possibly the biggest indirect nerf to any champion in preseason 7 is this removal.
  • The addition of health on smite does NOTHING for Fiddlesticks since he has such a sustained clear, so he even gets no benefit from the tradeoff change.

PLANTS:

  • Vision plant can see Fiddle's ultimate locations even though he perfectly cleared vision of that area. Huge nerf.
  • Honeybloom is mostly useless for Fiddlesticks, but this isn't the biggest deal.
  • Explosive plant can stop channels and thus Fiddle can't duel anyone near them. It doesn't sound like the biggest deal, but it limits your options in quite a few scenarios. Also people can use it to get out of your drain even if you're not in it.

24 Comments

KoKoboto7/31/2017, 7:53:06 PM8 votes

Just need a small buff to his E (it got nerfed in the past)

Also his W, letting it heal off a separate ratio instead of it depending being based on damage dealt. To people who are scared about this and thinking "omfg fiddle will just drain off everything and all the tanks!!".

He is a squishy champion that has to stand still and channel in a relatively short range.

List of champions that have their heals unaffected by enemy resistances: Aatrox Ahri Akali Alistar Cassiopeia Chogath DrMundo Ekko Elise Fiora Gangplank Gragas Illaoi Lissandra Nunu Warwick Yorick XinZhao Udyr Swain Vladimir Renekton

Just to name a few

bàn7/31/2017, 7:14:05 PM3 votes

Try to play him support. He's on list for most annoying champs lol but I still see people win with him supporting.

Meep Man7/31/2017, 9:54:55 PM3 votes

Riot likes to buff everything about Fiddlesticks except what really needs to be buffed.

Narzal7/31/2017, 10:24:01 PM3 votes

Omg guys, pls I know you are all roleplay Fiddlesticks without a brain ehhaughllaghlalhaa but there's a solution to this if you thinked and learned from a good fiddlesticks, here it is. You destroy kayn!!!!, he ults you and yet you still slurp him away. The solution to camps like red buff and blue is to kite both neighboring camps to the middle point, so you can proc your crows while draining them (gromp and blue) (raptors and red) with the smite being able to save your bacon in situations like this. It is soooo good and satisfying because it's like a whole new world with desserts of satisfying joy when you pull it off for fiddle in the jg. Enjoy <3

BIue Monk8/1/2017, 12:56:59 PM3 votes

There are also very annoying things to change (the champ is difficult enough to not have to deal with that kind of glitchy garbage tbh) : 1) Fear is not instant at all, it seems to be an invisible projectile that is slow. It always happens that you'll fear, but your opponent will have the time to AA and always to cast spells in between. If an opponent "queued" spells to the server, you well get hit by it.

2) Fear dissipates with death.
If you fear someone, the fear fades instantly when you die.

(1)+(2) : Happens everytime, you fear someone when you have 10% hp, but his spell gets you THEN he gets feared (so you feared him before), and you die, and then fear fades instantly (because you die), and he finish your whole team. Bad. Actually, can ANY of my spell be reliable ? Ultimate interruptible, drain interruptible, fear bugged as I said, E random shots...

Also, the ultimate base CD is way too long. 150 secs at first rank is a big joke. The ultimate CD decrease per rank is a mega joke aswell, most champs have a 20 secs or 15 secs decrase per rank, but Fiddle is 10s. Required : at LEAST 15 sec decrease per rank + decreased base 150 -> 140 at least. More of it : 130 at level 3 is the best joke too. Even global ults like Shen, TF, Galio is lower at last rank.

Disulfiram7/31/2017, 7:20:33 PM2 votes

Imho they should just rework his E into something that works well with the rest of his kit, maybe a vision or counter-vision tool... this would maybe kill supportstick and magestick, but should be a huge buff for junglestick.

Asayake 5150glow7/31/2017, 9:36:25 PM2 votes

Rylais nerf probably also hit him pretty hard, it gave him literally everything he could want. Heavy damage, tankstats, and stick.

FakeGravity7/31/2017, 9:41:20 PM2 votes

i think current fiddle work better as a tank than he does as an ap threat, that speak for how weak he is in the jungle, think about it, cinderhulk will give more aoe for his clears, allow him to survive without zhonya so he can move when ulting, he have a fear and a silence, and he have a drain to sustain a bit, add a rilai and you are set

BIue Monk8/1/2017, 12:23:20 PM1 votes

Uh, that's crazy but you seems to know what you're talking about.

Hear Me Now8/1/2017, 11:35:36 PM1 votes

He had a bad winrate paired with a low pickrate for a long time now

You wasted your time typing this garb out. He has a 51% win rate and his pick rate isn't bad. He's doing better than a lot of champs.

xelaker8/1/2017, 3:36:09 AM1 votes

I play him support sometimes, does that count? lol