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LeBlanc lacks meaningful counterplay.

Squidblimp··13 votes·1,570 views

As it stands, counterplay to LeBlanc is as follows: ward, don't get anywhere near her massive kill range, have point and click cc, and buy Banshee's/QSS/Zhonya's. That's it. There is very little I can actually interact with. I wish they would do to her what they did to Zed and make it so there is a delay before she can jump back to her Distortion circle.

Why does a champion with 2 massive gap closers also have a long range snare? It's not even a melee snare, the range is huge. With that much mobility, you shouldn't have such a long ranged cc. It's also pretty hard to dodge, since the hitbox is pretty wonky.

In addition, why does LeBlanc have point-and-click poke? This limits the amount of counterplay even further. I can't dodge it. And I also can't retaliate, since she can dash in, Q R me for 1,000 damage, then leave. The mark that she applies with Q isn't meaningful either. Kat and Akali have similar abilities with their Q. When they throw it, you know to back off, and you can back off when they throw the projectile too, because it's slow. You know if you stay you will die. LeBlanc has a high speed projectile she can instantly proc, and you can back off like the other champions because of her gap closers and CC. At least Kat and Akali can't snare you.

In addition to this, she has more burst damage than even a Veigar for most of the game. Why does the champion with the most mobility in the game also have hard CC and extremely high burst? You nerfed Kassadin for the same reasons Riot, and his burst was lower, he didn't have hard CC, and he had really high mana costs and a bad early game. Why is LeBlanc untouched, and you're considering buffing her dash speed again? She doesn't even need to land her Distortion on top of you to 100-0 you. How many other mages can burst you from 100-0 without their whole kit landing? Not many.

Honestly, LeBlanc just needs range nerfs. Nerf her dash range and her snare range. It's either that or her damage, and as you can see with Kassadin now, nerfing the damage is probably not the best way to go.

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Vistha Kai9 votes

As it stands, counterplay to Annie is as follows: ward, don't get anywhere near her massive kill range, have point and click cc, and buy Banshee's/QSS/Zhonya's. That's it. There is very little I can actually interact with.

FTFY

Squidblimp3 votes

Sure, it can be frustrating when Annie bursts you. However, Annie has short range compared to every mage in the game, besides maybe Lissandra. Annie also has no gap closers. At least you can poke Annie down from outside her range, or get a tank on her face and force her to waste her stun on the tank and then go in on her.

LeBlanc can just dodge all poke with dashes, dash away from diving tanks, and dash past your front line with ease.

Vistha Kai4 votes

Annie outranges every but 3 ADCs, every assassin and her Tibbers has a pretty decent range for a mage.

If LeBlanc uses her Disortion for anything that isn't dealing damage she can't kill anybody at full health, no exceptions.

Squidblimp1 votes

Yeah, but in general, ADCs are supposed to stay the hell away from anything with burst. You stay away from the Fizz, the Kat, the Irelia. Or if we're talking about range, you stay away from the Veigar, the Annie, the Viktor. You let them spend their spells on someone else before considering going near them.

Squidblimp1 votes

And she can kill anyone without Distortion if they're squishy. I've seen it happen.

Vistha Kai1 votes

I've also seen that happen, but only to people who were two items and four levels down.

At which point nearly every mage and every assassin will kill such a squish.

Trash ADC Btw1 votes

I've seen it happen to a mage who was ahead by a level, but behind 200 gold from a bot-roamed kill.

Specifically, it was a TF

Vistha Kai1 votes

Hm... yeah. That's possible, if it was TF.

Penguin Eclipse4 votes

You're suggesting LeBlanc needs nerfs. The 4th lowest winrate champion in the game.

Hahahahahhahahaha

Squidblimp2 votes

I'm not saying she is OP. She just lacks counterplay. Bursting a single target doesn't win games. However, it isn't fun to play against. Veigar got nerfed for this reason., though I don't completely agree with those nerfs.

Penguin Eclipse2 votes

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I'm not saying she is OP. She just lacks counterplay. Bursting a single target doesn't win games. However, it isn't fun to play against. Veigar got nerfed for this reason., though I don't completely agree with those nerfs.

And who exactly do you consider fun to play against?

Squidblimp2 votes

Vel'Koz, Ahri, even Zed. There are ways to outplay them.

Spizzle90002 votes

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Vel'Koz, Ahri, even Zed. There are ways to outplay them.

Yeah. All three of them have outplay potential. LB doesn't really.

Vel'Koz just needs some hard cc and avoid his e. Gapclose that mofo.

Ahri is basically the same.

Zed is considered far more OP than he actually is. Has no one heard of a QSS or Zhonya's, or perhaps the fact that the meta is loaded with devourer junglers, ergo tons of cc?

Squidblimp2 votes

Yeah, plus if you can successfully avoid his shurikens after he ults you, you can avoid a lot of the "pop" damage from his ult.

Drakylon1 votes

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Yeah. All three of them have outplay potential. LB doesn't really.

Vel'Koz just needs some hard cc and avoid his e. Gapclose that mofo.

Ahri is basically the same.

Zed is considered far more OP than he actually is. Has no one heard of a QSS or Zhonya's, or perhaps the fact that the meta is loaded with devourer junglers, ergo tons of cc?

The one issue I have with Zed is that he more or less forces AD-based squishies to build a significant MR item... when pretty much all of his damage is physical. Doesn't make too much sense.

Spizzle90001 votes

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The one issue I have with Zed is that he more or less forces AD-based squishies to build a significant MR item... when pretty much all of his damage is physical. Doesn't make too much sense.

Valid point, valid point. But, doesn't Fizz force APCs who are probably squishy as hell to build Zhonya's even if he's going AP?

Water Breathing3 votes

LB is my hardest lane match up by far. I's like whenever I go against one I either lose or don't win.

I read that she has no waveclear, so I should push her to her turret. This is what I do, I shove until the cows come home. However in order to do this I need to use my abilities so she just abuses my Cooldowns at the safety of her turret. Even if she uses her W to farm, A double Q or a Q - E combo still really hurts.

When she W - Q - E's me, I can't really do anything because she is 1300 units away from me when she reactivates the W.

Or, if she just W - Q - Q 's, when I try to take advantage of her not having her W I just get an E thrown at my face and get slowed.

Her Q range is a little too big for a point and click. Most of them are 600 or 625. LB's Q is 700.

Just look at her level 2 - a simple Q - W does 200 damage even without any AP. Most champions only have 600 health at that point...

For those that don't think LB is a problem, what do you do in lane to beat her? I need this information lol

Squidblimp1 votes

BILD BANSHEE @ LVL 1 U SCRUB

JK, JK. But yeah, she's a tough one. You basically can't win lane against her unless you're fizz, since you can just avoid her point and click as fizz.

tboneski2152 votes

stop being trash I slaughter every lb I play

Squidblimp4 votes

Hi there, Fizz/Lissandra main.

redniwediS3 votes

Calling someone out as a main of something is almost as bad as blatantly calling someone trash.

Squidblimp4 votes

I'm not saying Fizz or Lissandra are bad champions to main. However, they counter LeBlanc. Sorry if I seemed rude. I got defensive when he called me trash.

YCitizenSnipsY2 votes

Damn the buff hasn't even hit live yet and your already in panic mode lol

Squidblimp5 votes

Not panic mode. LB has always been an unfair champion.

YCitizenSnipsY2 votes

How is Le Blanc unfair, she is literally only relevant in the laning phase and the only thing she's strong at is dueling. She cant team fight at all because she has to use herself as a weapon for one of her spells, and no apc including LB wants to front line a team fight. She also doesn't take objectives very well either, no pushing power and mediocre wave clear. You make her worse at 1v1 she has nothing left

Squidblimp1 votes

I'm not saying she should be worse at 1v1. Her damage is fine. What isn't fine is that she has ALL of that damage, ALL of that LONG-RANGED CC, and ALL of that mobility, and you can't retaliate. She needs range nerfs on her abilities. Tryndamere is good and dueling, so you counterplay him by igniting him when he ults, running away, and then he dies, or you only go in on him with his ult down. Tryndamere has some of the least counterplay in the game and I can even list counterplay for him! That's how crazy LeBlanc is. Basically, you're at the mercy of the enemy LeBlanc and how skilled they are. If they're good, you cant win lane unless your name is Fizz.

jjookkeerr1 votes

item 3102

Squidblimp2 votes

Listed that as counterplay. However, item-only counterplay is very binary. There should be other ways provided.

Bears Dont Care1 votes

Guysmm.this assassin who deals only single target damage, isone of the squishiest champions, needs a nerf because her one and only trait makes me sad.

Squidblimp2 votes

There are plenty of other assassins who only deal single target damage and burst a single target, yet they can be interacted with. Rengar, for example, bursts people even faster than LeBlanc does. He even has stealth. However, you can see him coming, and if you're with your team, you can exhaust him as soon as he pops up, or use a sweeper or pink ward.

LeBlanc can dash in, decide she wants to leave, and then can do so.

Bears Dont Care1 votes

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There are plenty of other assassins who only deal single target damage and burst a single target, yet they can be interacted with. Rengar, for example, bursts people even faster than LeBlanc does. He even has stealth. However, you can see him coming, and if you're with your team, you can exhaust him as soon as he pops up, or use a sweeper or pink ward.

LeBlanc can dash in, decide she wants to leave, and then can do so.

Leblancs dash is easily stopped by roots just like Rengar's jump. On top of this, you can also exhaust Leblanc as the range for th esummoner spell is equal to her dash range. Rengar is harder to predict in terms of behavior where as leblanc is constantly viewable. She is far from problematic

Water Breathing1 votes

Believe me man, I've tried Heal, Barrier, Exhaust, even tried ignite for her passive. None worked, except for maybe Barrier which let me not get completely destroyed by one of her combos once every 180 secs. When I exhaust her, she just pops back with W the instant she notices it, doesn't use anything, and bam, you just got baited into wasting exhaust. Then she can use her W again in a few seconds or just use her Ult to jump back again. I just can't win lol.

Also about the root interrupting her dash, yeah you can do that. But only some champions can do this. Like, if you're Swain, your root has a delay and you need psychic skills to land that sucker when she W's. Minions can get in the way of Lux and Morgana, Zyra's is so slow that you're probably going to take some damage by the time it actually hits LB. As far as stuns, Vel'koz can do it but I can't do it with 100% accuracy every time. I can't imagine Heim nailing LB with his E with 100% accuracy. I think the best chance you have is with Ahri's charm, since it is pretty fast and has decent range. Also a lot of LB's will max her W first, and a lot of mid mages max their hard CC last, so you won't have it up with every cast.

P4ppino1 votes

In champion select, if the enemy picks a leblanc, im getting so happy, because i know i just have to survive the laning phase, which is honestly not hard, becuz you can just shove the minion wave under her tower, so she needs to use her skills to get minions. After that she will be plain useless, because she needs to go in the fight to deal meaningful damage, at which point shes pretty much dead. And when it comes to lategame, its 5v4. If the enemy take lb, its freelo for me.

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