Grave is not fun to play against.

No really... he has no weakness.

He literally has... Massive Burst, Strong followup DPS, Strong at all points in the game, Jungles at full hp, Tank stats, Range, Wall crossing mobility Strong Vision Denial, (which is works as a silence verse many abilities.)

Graves singlehandedly eclipse all melee jungles due to how his damage work when in close range.

He is a frustrating mess of tank stats and ADC tools that just feels completely frustrating to play against.

There is no counter play to anything in his kit ether... You don't interact with graves... you retreat from him, or you die.

So in competitive maybe he isn't the strongest... but you know what.

99.99999999% of us are never getting into competitive. I've been diamond for 4 season now and I can honestly say there just isn't anything fun or enjoyable about seeing graves on the other side of the field.

And that is his base fucking kit before I even talk about how busted it interacts with .

He Needs serious changes because right now he is a limiting factor in the jungle for what is viable.