seriously nobody cares about your stupid flat pen or essense reaver
if i could nullify my lane opponent by spending a mere 800 gold i fucking would!!!
eight 
fucking hundred gold to turn that enemy Soraka into a useless vegetable
Tired of losing games because my ADC is a vegetable instead of turning Soraka into one
AnonymousPoro14 voteseight
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Soraka into a useless vegetable
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vegetable
SINCE WHEN IS A BANANA A VEGETABLE?!
LAKIGR2 votesWell technically a bananas are a herb
Warlord Zudane2 votesSince they aren't used as leaves/flowers for flavoring and the fact they have a 'woody stem' don't shrivel down after flowering (pre-fruit) I don't think bananas are herbs.
herb noun: herb; plural noun: herbs
1. any plant with leaves, seeds, or flowers used for flavoring, food, medicine, or perfume. "bundles of dried herbs" 2. Botany any seed-bearing plant that does not have a woody stem and dies down to the ground after flowering.
Kinda curious how you came to this conclusion.
BioticBrony3 votesBananas are berries actually.
LAKIGR2 votesI'm just saying u have the Internet use it any way. If u go to google and put in are bananas a herb u should see a ton of info about it but the main gist of it is this
The banana plant is called a 'banana tree' in popular use, but it's technically regarded as a herbaceous plant (or 'herb'), not a tree, because the stem does not contain true woody tissue.
It Hertz When IP4 votes
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JackMcSnipeyz10 votesOnly works on self heals.. So.. Stop bitching and take ignite
Edit : i was wrong
RocketRelm26 voteshttp://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Grievous_Wounds
V6.9 Now affects healing from all sources instead of self-healing.
V5.22 Now only affects self-healing from healing from all sources. Healing reduction reduced to 40% from 50%.
Ace Access 9 votes BANANA'S ARE FRUITS NOT VEGETABLES!!!!!!
YCitizenSnipsY6 votesWho the fuck buys that item in lane? So what you are saying is you want them to lose the laning phase by a land slide because they don't do any damage?
Supreme Senpai6921 votesWait... so let me get this straight.
A support has to delay their build by 800G in order to buy a sightstone, but an ADC can't be fucked to delay their build by 800G in order to buy an executioner's calling?
And people wonder where this 'sympathy for the support' attitude comes from...
Would like to make an edit note that I play ADC as well. Not that it should matter, but to those ADCs that think this is just a support QQ post, it's not. It's just annoying having to dump 800G into sightstone to help the team, then another 800G into executioner's to help the team because the ADC refuses to increase their chance of winning, and then being able to build support items such as ZZ'rot or Banner or Frozen Heart. You're basically just an item dump at that point.
YCitizenSnipsY2 votesThat's not delaying your build, that a core item on supports. You rush this item in lane and the enemy ADC will just out trade you and you will lose the lane. You would have to buy that item later in the game and then guarantee your team could put you in a position to be able to auto attack a back line support as an ADC.
Supreme Senpai6922 votesExecutioner's calling is a core item on ADCs when a Soraka is on the enemy team if Sightstone is a core item on a support. You rush it in lane and completely negate the enemy ADCs support. Now it's basically a 2v1. You don't attack the enemy Soraka to apply the debuff, you attack the one being healed. So by attacking the enemy ADC, you reduce their healing through their support or through lifesteal.
Basically, do you want to help win lane by spending 800 gold? Supports do, so they build sightstone. If an ADC is against a Soraka then they should build Executioner's Calling. It's stupidly cheap. And you say you lose damage, but it gives 15 AD. So you actually gain damage. You also, more importantly, prevent 40% of your damage from being healed away. You're basically doing 40% more damage just through the passive!
But if you don't want to build it, that's fine. I need more wins on Soraka anyway.
It Hertz When IP5 votesIt's actually not an indirect 40% buff, since it's 40% no longer being negated, meaning that you're doing 100% up from 60%. Actual number comes out to a 66.7% damage buff.
Limrick3 votesNot to mention that ADCs gain gold way faster than supports do. It takes like 3 minutes tops of farm to get the gold to make Soraka useless.
YCitizenSnipsY1 votesYou aren't going to win the lane. You are going to get shoved under tower because you won't clear faster than the enemy adc who actually built damage. You also aren't negating Soraka when she can just wait out the debuff and heal afterwards and it won't even be that much of an investment since your damage is absolute shit. You are going to continue to fall behind when the enemy adc completes their first item faster than you, since you wasted 800 gold on an item you won't finish first.
Yes I would love to "win lane by spending $800 gold." If the idea of winning lane is falling behind in CS, falling behind in items, losing my tower first, and mildly inconveniencing a support with little damage that she could probably heal even with reduced healing.
Supreme Senpai691 votesIt lasts 3 seconds and Raka pays 10% max HP to heal. She can't spam it unless she lands a Q in which case that's on you. Her heal is on a 4 second CD. You're exaggerating by a lot. The difference between 5 AD is not a lost lane.
YCitizenSnipsY1 votesThe difference between BF and EC is not 5 ad. The difference between at tier two time plus EC and a completed item is even larger.
Supreme Senpai691 votesThe difference between EC and 2 longswords is 5 AD. Obviously Bf has more AD. It costs a lot more too though so it'd be stupid to compare it
YCitizenSnipsY1 votesIt cost 500 more gold and is the most common first purchase on ADC's, that's why I'm comparing it. If you want we can compare it to Sheen for Tri force users, or Cutlass for adc's that rush BoTRK.
Supreme Senpai691 votesBut you can buy BF and then buy EC, they aren't mutually exclusive. Soraka heals won't mean shit until 5-10 minutes into the game anyway as long as she isn't landing Qs.
Jeddy0172 votesIt doesn't matter if you can trade decently with the enemy ADC in lane when the enemy Soraka will just heal it all back up. Buying an early GW it does set back your build & you're probably weaker in trades, but at least you can weaken Soraka heals so it's possible for you to poke down the enemy while Soraka waste her health. Let's not forget you got a support backing you up too, so it's not like you're trading with the enemy ADC by yourself. They can use whatever poke, utility or CC they have to help you out.
manbearswine3 votesIt doesn't matter if you can trade decently with the enemy ADC in lane when the enemy Soraka will just heal it all back up. Buying an early GW it does set back your build & you're probably weaker in trades, but at least you can weaken Soraka heals so it's possible for you to poke down the enemy while Soraka waste her health.
Uh, you realize gw from executioners lasts for 3 seconds right? Soraka will just wait it out if you are poking, it only really helps in full on fights, which you will lose because the enemy has dirk, and you have executioners calling.
Let's not forget you got a support backing you up too, so it's not like you're trading with the enemy ADC by yourself. They can use whatever poke, utility or CC they have to help you out.
I mean even in competitive adcs won't rush executioners calling against soraka, generally they only get it when lastwhisper is upgraded to mortal reminder(at least from the games I've seen), the boards just love to pretend there's a simple solution to champions which are clearly ridiculous, and telling them they are wrong is pointless.
Gregor Gysi3 votesThe forums used to ridicule anyone saying that pink wards would provide decent counterplay against Akali back when it was popular to hate on Akali - hence the saying "just pink" whenever the balance of a certain champion is discussed.
But as the boards are heavily biased towards supports people just forget about that and as they probably have never touched an AD carry simply cannot understand how important it is to be able to be able to trade with the enemy AD.
800 gold seems little but it's actually the gold you'd get for 3 kills. And the item is horribly inefficient, it is a 
+ 450 gold. That means you lose 1 kill and 1 assist in terms of combat stats for only 5 AD. It is not really useful in trades as Soraka can just choose to heal it up later. In all ins it's also not that useful as it only reduces the heal by 40 % - and that's usually not enough to kill the ADC in one go. Generally when it comes to all inning a team with Soraka you want to kill the Soraka first - and GW doesn't really help you with that much. Combat stats, however, do.
Additionally, moving further into the game you want to have full items and not those small inefficient 800 gold items. And 
happens to suck and doesn't help you much with killing tanks (yes, 
is better against Mundo aswell.). Just take a look at competetive, people usually build .
And not only that, you completely ruin your snowball potential. Effectively loosing so much gold sets you behind - remember, there is not only Soraka in the game.
Disclaimer: yes, there are rare cases in which is a viable choice. But not every Soraka game is on of these cases. If you want ADCs to build it more often then you should ask for buffs instead of circlejerking against ADCs.
I hate to play ADC btw, so no bias here.
manbearswine1 votesThe forums used to ridicule anyone saying that pink wards would provide decent counterplay against Akali back when it was popular to hate on Akali - hence the saying "just pink" whenever the balance of a certain champion is discussed.
I always thought it was because nidalee's spears had a tendency to be invisible, good to know though. But when exactly was this? It's before I started playing, was the competitive scene anywhere near what it is today?
But as the boards are heavily biased towards supports people just forget about that and as they probably have never touched an AD carry simply cannot understand how important it is to be able to be able to trade with the enemy AD.
I think that's half true. There is a really strong support circlejerk here, so yes, they often will defend moronic supports, but they also seem to be particularly biased towards the "bitch" supports(I'd even go as far as saying it's not a support circlejerk, but more of a enchanter support circlejerk, as they will often go on witchunts when "not real supports" "invade" bot lane): those with a heavy focus on heals/shields, anyway it's not so much that they don't understand the importance of those things, they are simply looking for any excuse to justify that abomination, ironically from personal experience the people who hate soraka the most are often other support mains.
800 gold seems little but it's actually the gold you'd get for 3 kills. And the item is horribly inefficient, it is a
Well 5 ad is quite a lot in the early game, in "longsword terms" it's 175 gold, which is far from negligible.
It is not really useful in trades as Soraka can just choose to heal it up later. In all ins it's also not that useful as it only reduces the heal by 40 % - and that's usually not enough to kill the ADC in one go.
I wouldn't call 40% "only", but yes, with all of her disengage it likely won't be enough, you are better off trying to use the small windows of opportunity granted by ignite.
Generally when it comes to all inning a team with Soraka you want to kill the Soraka first - and GW doesn't really help you with that much. Combat stats, however, do.
Ok I really disagree with this, first of all soraka will ult herself, and that's a big heal, another thing is soraka hides behind the backline, focusing her in the vast majority of cases is simply out of question, you'll dive so far in the backlines and blow so much on her that even if you do kill her you'll just get killed by the rest of her team afterwards, you kinda have to kill your target through her healing, which is far from easy and is one of the reasons why she is too fucking strong right now.
Additionally, moving further into the game you want to have full items and not those small inefficient 800 gold items. And
Disclaimer: yes, there are rare cases in which
I actually see that item quite often in competitive, anyway this isn't an adc circlejerk thread(it masquerades as such though), it's a "the soraka witch hunt is about to start so time to shift blame" thread.
I mean she's obnoxious, she always was, that's already a good start, then you have a good chunk of streamers and people calling her bs, and finally(and this is super relevant to the winrate circlejerk), she has the highest winrate of supports, highest banrate of supports, and 4th pickrate of supports(on a champion who is clearly insanely lame, and this is obviously just mirroring how insanely stupid she is right now), so it's coming...probably...(the bitch circlejerk is awfully strong with these boards), the entity known as "reddit" seems to hate her guts, so that's something.
Gregor Gysi1 votesI always thought it was because nidalee's spears had a tendency to be invisible, good to know though. But when exactly was this? It's before I started playing, was the competitive scene anywhere near what it is today?
That was when it became a meme - the "pink" argument from the anti Akali circlejerk circlejerk got used when the anti Nidalee circlejerk began.
Well 5 ad is quite a lot in the early game, in "longsword terms" it's 175 gold, which is far from negligible.
450g for 5 ad, you get 10 ad for 300g - and when you upgrade AD becomes even more efficient. And you don't want to upgrade it.
I wouldn't call 40% "only", but yes, with all of her disengage it likely won't be enough, you are better off trying to use the small windows of opportunity granted by ignite.
Ok I really disagree with this, first of all soraka will ult herself, and that's a big heal, another thing is soraka hides behind the backline, focusing her in the vast majority of cases is simply out of question, you'll dive so far in the backlines and blow so much on her that even if you do kill her you'll just get killed by the rest of her team afterwards, you kinda have to kill your target through her healing, which is far from easy and is one of the reasons why she is too fucking strong right now.
Yeah, I agree that she is too strong right now so that's why it's really hard to say what to do. As I play divers I feel like killing her frontline is just impossible seeing how strong her heals are so for me diving is the only option (unless we catched someone and can 5v4 melt their front). Overall I guess the best counterplay in soloQ is to either avoid or catch her. And MR isn't as useful for that as other items are. But I may be wrong here, I haven't found anything that works really well against her.
I mean she's obnoxious, she always was, that's already a good start, then you have a good chunk of streamers and people calling her bs, and finally(and this is super relevant to the winrate circlejerk), she has the highest winrate of supports, highest banrate of supports, and 4th pickrate of supports(on a champion who is clearly insanely lame, and this is obviously just mirroring how insanely stupid she is right now), so it's coming...probably...(the bitch circlejerk is awfully strong with these boards), the entity known as "reddit" seems to hate her guts, so that's something.
Let's hope for the best.
manbearswine2 votesThat was when it became a meme - the "pink" argument from the anti Akali circlejerk circlejerk got used when the anti Nidalee circlejerk began.
450g for 5 ad, you get 10 ad for 300g - and when you upgrade AD becomes even more efficient. And you don't want to upgrade it.
longsword costs 350 gold.
Yeah, I agree that she is too strong right now so that's why it's really hard to say what to do. As I play divers I feel like killing her frontline is just impossible seeing how strong her heals are so for me diving is the only option (unless we catched someone and can 5v4 melt their front).
Thing is it's generally better to focus her frontline, if she isn't crap getting to her is just too costly.
Overall I guess the best counterplay in soloQ is to either avoid or catch her. And MR isn't as useful for that as other items are. But I may be wrong here, I haven't found anything that works really well against her.
Generally it's things which can force a trade out of her reach, so blitz is good, thresh is pretty good, braum is also good due to how hard he trades and sticks, aside from that splitpushers and skirmishers are good, as soraka has issues maintaining map control(so grouping is bad), but bottom line is it demands much more coordination and skill from her opponents than it does from her, so unless the skill level of the game is really high(think masters), it's just not worth it, and you're better off picking her yourself.
Oh and global and high aoes are good too, so jinx is decent vs her...if she can survive laning.
Let's hope for the best.
She'll probably get nerfed, unfortunately not enough, I'm not sure why this champion even exists, the only reason 95% of the people who play her do so alternates between "she's op" and "I don't need to play to win", whats the point?
Bladerunner77772 votesSupports aren't "delaying their build", Sightstone is their build
Supreme Senpai694 votesADCs aren't delaying their build. Executioner's Calling is their build.
chipndip12 votesDifference: It clean isn't. A support using a well timed Ignite + an adc with with a BF Sword is way stronger than an adc having to take Executioner's Calling.
Warlord Zudane3 votesSeriously? 5 seconds of grievous wounds with a 210 second CD (3.5 minutes) is better than an 800g item that gives +15AD and inflicts grievous wounds for 6 seconds on every physical damage hit (on an adc that's all of them)?
Constant grievous wounds (that works on everybody) and 15AD is somehow worse than a single target summoner spell that gives grievous wounds for a mere 5 seconds (less than the length of a single shot from the ADC with ) that can only be used ONCE every three and a half minutes. Please, explain that logic.
chipndip12 votesHere's the thing you don't understand: Ignite is FREE. Executioner's costs 800 gold. That's 2.66 kills worth of gold for one item that, unless you're dealing with an obnoxious amount of healing constantly, is barely more valuable than a longsword.
Am I saying it's useless? No. I'm saying it's too clumsy to rush during the early game. Proper use of Ignite bypasses this easily and allows adcs to hit their spikes properly. Rushing Executioners is sign of a good Soraka, a bad support, or a support that, regardless of how good they are, took Exhaust anyway and are paying the price.
Warlord Zudane2 votesAn obnoxious amount of healing.... like someone facing Soraka. That's exactly what this entire post is about.
Supreme Senpai692 votesOr... the support can take exhaust, protecting their entire team from assassins and slowing down enemies that would otherwise get away, getting your team fed. Instead of relying on something very well timed that only specific supports take and teamwork with an ADC, the ADC can just spend 800G on an item they need to buy eventually anyway.
ForgiveColour1 votesIf thats the support attitude then i guess i know why most of them on gameplay board are stuck in silver. Lmao i feel bad for youre teammate
Supreme Senpai692 votesI wonder why you're so salty lmao.
Troll for Trump4 votesFFS can you supports pls buy sight stone?
Seriously, nobody cares about your Rabadon's Deathhat rush.
If I could save so many lives by spending a mere 800 gold I friggin' would!!!
eight
friggin' hundred gold to save a million lives and get a million picks .
Tired of losing games because the support thinks they are playing s2/3 double doran's nidalee support
AramsAreBest4 votesYou're losing games because the enemy is better than you
Troll for Trump2 votes?
Nope.
Supports building full glass cannon can lose games hard. They can win them hard too, but either way, it's obnoxious to play with them.
Don't just randomly shittalk please.
notmarked3 votes
they can't even buy this
what makes you think they will buy executioners
Riven Main2 votesexecutioner only works on the self healing aspect on soraka, which she shouldn't be positioning herself to be auto attacked. as every auto she takes is one less chance of healing the enemy
Marshbouy11 votesIt decreases all healing by 40%. That includes raka frantically trying to heal her ADC.
CrazedPorcupine5 votesactually it's only 40% now. They didn't bump the amount back up to 50 when they made it affect all healing.
Marshbouy3 votesfixed it, ty for telling me.
Warlord Zudane2 votes40% on all healing is fine as long as people use it. Much higher and it would just mean that healing wouldn't matter in the game once someone passes 800g.
RocketRelm14 votesThat was a change made to Grievous Wounds a while ago, but this change has ben reverted. It now once again reduces 'all' incoming healing to the target afflicted.
Dasdi961 votesIf I buy this item in lane I will be around 800g behind the enemy adc, which means he will always out trade me, making us even more behind. I will only buy it if I have at least 2 core items finished.
Hige5 votesMath buddy...
= 15 AD and 800g
If you go back as soon as you hit 800g, the enemy will be the one behind since any ADC item is at least 900g (
) or two which costs up to 700g and only gives 5 AD more.
Now for the second case consider the fact that Soraka as a support doesn't has much damage, in a trade, her biggest contribution is healing while your support will most surely bring more damage than her but never more healing, 5 AD will be covered by your support, as a matter of fact, any damage difference in early game will be covered by your support most of the time.
A 
costs up to 1300, so the enemy has to stay in lane for quite a while until reaching that amount of gold, as soon as he backs up you should be close to 700 and you can then buy the 2 long swords and stay pretty close to the 40 AD the enemy gains with a BF sword.
Ultimately you will be closer to which you SHOULD build if facing a soraka
Lauchmelder2 votesWait, you rush Executioners Calling when facing a Soraka? Legit question, I'm curious.
Wouldn't it be better to get a BF before an EC considering your power spike would be a bit later compared to your lane opponent? Is Executioners Calling worth that trade?
Hige5 votesI have done that on my alt account and to my surprise it has worked quite nicely, math came later :P
As far as rushing it I'd have to say yes against a Soraka, delaying it will give the enemy space to out trade you, say you go for , that's 2100g, if the enemy has that same amount or close to it, he can get 
and when both go back to lane he will out trade you naturally.
Now if you go back first he'll naturally be ahead in CS but he needs to wait until he can in fact buy something significant, the closest thing is which is 900g and which effectiveness is also reduced by grievous wounds, take in account that Doran's blade effectivenes is also cut in half, as does any lifesteal from masteries and runes.
If he goes back as soon as he hits 1300, he can only buy a BF sword and in that moment you should regain your CS and get ready to either buy your two and go for a either a Korean build or 
. If he waits until 2100g then you can get your own BF sword and probably either the brawler's or the dagger, either way you'll be ahead because his support is only half effective.
Or course, this is all subject to change depending on lane interactions, if Soraka dies early to a gank then you can delay the Executioner's, if you are seriously ahead in CS or if the enemy adc doesn't trade well, too.
edit: I missed the second question :P going back early actually gives you a power spike of your own, you are now 15 AD ahead from the enemy and you're cutting all his healing in half on every trade. Of course your skills won't do much until you get the big items but if you use your advantage wisely, you can delay the enemy's power spike as well.
