I have a problem with morellonomicon :C

Rito Staff··3 votes·530 views

My problem with Morello is its Grievous Wounds, which invalidate a whole set of champions who depend on healing, and whose identiy is strongly based on self-sustain. I speak of Aatrox, Swain and Vlad.

It is a layered problem and it should be tweaked at all its levels.

NOTE: While reading it might start irking you that I'm implying changes to item 3165, which might lead you into thinking "WHAT? FCK YASUO" chill, I'll get to drain-glass-cannon-tanks.

First, there is no choice when picking Morello. It is an item bought on most midlaners, regardless, of facing a self-sustain champion or not. Morello will even be bought on lethality games where ADCs are not making use of critical strike, attack speed and life steal.

Look at the two Last Whispers items (item 3036and item 3033 ). Two items that make you think if you want raw damage for the frontline or Grievous Wounds to deal with that pesky Warlords Bloodthirster champion. And it happens quite often that you need both +% dmg vs high HP targets AND Grievous Wounds.

Similarly, I'd like the mage GW to be on a niche item, without being coupled with something a mage would pick either way and therefor hinder indirectly Aatrox, Swain and Vladimir

Secondly, even so, buying one item that severely cripples the whole identity of a champion is wrong. -- "Armor pen invalidates armor, and buying tank items invalidate damage, so what?" -- The ADC's identity is sustained damage, which no tank ever invalidates with the correct build. And vice-versa. There is just a constant countering each other up until a final state of an ADC still having the damage to destroy a tank, and the lifesteal to not die to Sunfire and Thornmail, meanwhile needing peel to do it.

But the same can't be said for Aatrox, or Swain, who entire reason of existence can be destroyed with one item that, most likely, wasn't even bought to counter them, but for the cooldown reduction and mana.

And then there's the 3rd problem. Which is that supposed glass cannon champions, mainly (Yasuo, Jinx, Graves )-- supposed backbone damage for the team -- are also fulfilling the self-sustaining tank role better than drain-tanks themselfs. Which is the result of poor balance damage wise. It is a class distortion out of too much damage & lifesteal via items and masteries. And it is this 3rd point which I believe is shying Riot away from making Drain-Tanks viable.

The solution to this latter issue: Reduce accessible LS in glass cannon builds? Or simply cap it. So that lifesteal exists as a counter to 'splatter' damage like Luden's, Thornmail and other AoEs, allowing a steady heal as opposed to a huge chunky one.

For some reason Riot goes easy on drain-tank champions, saying they're hard to balance (or that Aatrox fights are stat checky).

There were a few occasions, and happily there were at all, where I as an Aatrox lived up to the fantasy of not dieing at 20%ish HP against Nasus and other tanks. Some Aatrox's fights are indeed stat checks -- and they are fucking epic you must admit, fellow participants. When you're sitting on your arse hoping your horse wins -- but only because both parties WANT it to be one, not because they have to. Simply move your champion around and it isn't a horse race bet anymore.

Let's have a moment to think how a drain-tank should play out // You have tanks who usually pack lots of soft and hard CC, alongside some DoT which has its toll over their lifespan. Fighters like Fiora , Jax and MasterYi usually win due to survivability outplay tools.

But now think of a drain-tank, and why would it exist in the first place. A drain-tank is supposed to be squishy albeit resillient and 'annoying to kill' through self-healing. So, why would you pick a squishy, quote TANK unquote, if you are to die to 1v1s faster than anyother tank?

The sole purpose of the drain-tank IS to win duels and end up more resillient than normal tanks, GIVEN, you are able to heal yourself. It is not a stat check fight.

Drain-tanks, in comparison to the tank class, occupy the higher end of the "mechanics" and "strategic play" spectrum, which means, their healing is not guaranteed, but something you work for. Aatrox Lots of attack move, being squishy af. Vladimir Has to be really close to his enemies, otherwise they simply kite him out of Q danger range and he has got nothing, Vlad must be usually 2 Teemos away in a teamfight for propper use of his ultimate and stickyness. Swain Activates his ultimate and that's it. But that's not the end, he has to walk you through it, hitting his stun.

Doesn't mean these 3 above don't need some extra work on Riots end. What I'm saying is that lots of times you can just walk away from them. If your champion doesn't have mobility or CC, then you're probably playing Mordekaiser in which case it is not Vladimirs fault (in before "the russians did it")

My propposed solution for Morello is: Reduce the duration to 1s. Depending on the enemy you might actually CHOOSE to wait out the debuff for your heal.

As a GW caster, it might make you CHOOSE to space out your abilities to really hinder the sustain.

Or simply: Don't put GW alongside another stat mages will be picking up anyway. Make it so they have to give up on something else.

PSA: item 3165 Besides applying GW it also gives 20% CDR which puts your CC on lower cooldowns. This item screams "f*ck Aatrox".

6 Comments

MrHaZeYo2 votes

Thing is Morerllo's GW makes them have to be below 30% HP for it kicks in. Mortal Reminder inflicts it with every auto. How is that fair?

If I'm Swain I'd much rather deal with the GW on Morello over Mortal Reminder and need I remind you that all it takes is item 3123 to make me hate my life, a whole 800g.

boo9101 votes

honestly, maybe they should make executioners cullng like this, except ap is now ad. maybe people would actually buy it to counter my boi warwick

Rito Staff1 votes

my point is to not make Grievous Wounds such a hard counter for Self-Sustain champions D:: not make it accessible for 800g bruh

5050BS1 votes

No there needs to be a way to deal with them. The Problem is that like OP said item 3165 is taken by 80+% of all Mid lane AP champs item 3123 Is a really crappy AD Item and only build by ADC and is taken not to deal with Drain tanks but to deal with Tanks.

Top Laners some times NEED to take it but hate having to.

What they need to do is cap LS at 40% and have item 3123 build into other items that give GW

Then BUFF the Drain/Sustain Tanks self Healing.

Yaśuo Main1 votes

wtf is an aatrox

5050BS1 votes

Problem is that Sustain Champs like Swain have a VERY limited healing, while Auto attack champs and ADC can get LS to 100% or more and Im sorry but it is STUPID that they can heal 30%+ of their HP in ONE auto attack.

They killed Spell Vamp but didnt kill Life Steal. It was STUPID of Riot and shows they have no clue how to balance OR shows they have favoritism.

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