It shouldn't be like this...

Rito Staff··55 votes·3,170 views

That I can't play a champion that I enjoy.

It's ridiculous, several times it happens that even my teammates, seeing that'll pick Zed ban him regardless. Last time I was even first pick.

Just nerf Zed, it will make everyone happy, Zed mains and haters.

And some other champions are kept in complete f a i l states for so long. *cof Aatrox

73 Comments

Fauxfire45 votes

Upvoted because you said to nerf Zed

Very Hard Engage4 votes

upvoted because you share my common interest.

Arakadia7 votes

Thats kinda the boards problem. The hivemind/circlejerk mentality.

MrWasjig11 votes

share my common interest.

That doesn't sound like circlejerking. Just agreeing on a similar subject matter, yes they're similar but let's not get carried away with calling everyone a circlejerker :P

Arakadia4 votes

The upvoting system isn't necessarily a agree/disagree system. It should be "this post is meaningful/useful" V.S "This post has is not meaningful or useful."

People downvote a post simply because they disagree. It can have great arguments but because the title is something they disagree with their going to downvote.

When the same people are upvoting 3 different nerf Zed threads its kind of circlejerking. I get that the original comment was kind of a joke but its a serious problem where people are biased and do not even want to discuss. In the last 1.5 weeks I have seen two "X champion is broken" with X being filled by Yi and Zed. In both of these the person did not even want to discuss, they just wanted X champion deleted.

Agreeing on a matter is fine. These comments were fine. But the boards really are plagued by circlejerking. If you agree on a post that is thoughtful or brings up something meaningful you can upvote it. If its just to nerf X champion who you also hate well then unless its a meaningful nerf you shouldn't upvote. For example I hate playing against Lux. But I do not just upvote any thread that says to Nerf lux unless theres some thought behind it.

EDIT: Not everyone circlejerks but theres too much of it already.

Rito Staff2 votes

you savage :c

BakedLotion27 votes

I forgot Zed existed because he's always banned. Maybe that's why I've been having more fun.

Hayaishi221 votes

Zed isn't coming off the ban list now that you can't QSS his ult.

Inharmonix1 votes

I find it funny that you can still Elise E his ult.

1000angrybees18 votes

Tbh I've never enjoyed League more when I haven't seen Zed in MONTHS. Not to mention people continuously ban him just because they don't feel like laning mid with him.

That's a pretty good indicator that people don't like playing against him

Caítlyn11 votes

Delete Zed

Arakadia3 votes

No champion should be deleted. Nor is Zed OP atm.

Angry Monster7 votes

are reworks not a deletion of a champions kit?

Arakadia1 votes

Nope. He asked for Zed, the champion to be deleted. He did not ask to delete his kit or for a rework. Besides deleting a kit can be part of a rework but isn't a rework in itself. Look at every other rework in the last year, all of them retain something of the original champion. Shen ult and E, Poppy W passive, E, and I think Q, Taric Q, E, and passive.

No champion should be deleted. This guy is always complaining on the boards. Deleting =/= fixing the problem.

Angry Monster2 votes

I think you are being to ridged in your thought process. The kit defines a champion not the name of the champ. If the a reworked kit happens I say that metaphorically a champion has been deleted and replaced with a champ that is similar but different.

Maybe this is over your head.

Arakadia1 votes

This person isn't asking for a rework. They want Zed deleted.

I define a champion by their character, theme, kit, and lore. Reworks do not necesarilly delete a champions whole kit.

I know Caítlyn enough from their other comments to know they don't want Zed reworked when they say Delete Zed.

Shadòw9 votes

Zed is already on a 45% winrate... he definitly doesn't need more nerfs.

The problem is, people are ignorant.

It's with every Champion that is getting perma-banned the same. People will only stop banning him until other Champs become broken.

Since Heca, Sona became so strong and Ryze got reworked this patch, I see less and less Zed bans.

You have to consider that most people don't actually check Patch Notes and Winrates even if a Champ gets gutted completly. A Champ that is perma-banned will only stop getting banned when other must-bans replace it.

The Cycle of Bans continues Nasus

DrCyanide16 votes

People will ban him as long as they 1) hate laning against him, 2) feel like there's a good chance he'll get picked, and 3) don't feel like there's another champion that is as overbearing to play against.

Lately every time Zed has gotten through bans and been picked, it's been a terrible experience to go against him. I don't even care if I won or lost that game, I don't want to play against that again, so he's back on the ban list. A Fizz or a LeBlanc may be equally bad, but they don't seem to pop up in my games nearly as often, so I don't need to ban them.

Shadòw4 votes

then why wasn't he perma banned before the qss patch?

It didn't really affect his lane phase much, did it? He had like 3% banrate before that.

But whatever, this is the boards.

DrCyanide6 votes

That patch was when the QSS and Hourglass was nerfed, plus with the mage update everyone wanted to play squishy mages. Zed counters said mages more often than not, plus getting the indirect buffs lead to him doing well in games he got into. Zed players weren't trying something new, they had easier time killing targets all around. That, in turn lead to bans.

LankPants3 votes

then why wasn't he perma banned before the qss patch?

He did have one of the highest ban rates even before that change.

He had like 3% banrate before that.

Zed hasn't been at a 3% ban rate since July of 2014.

Calabok8 votes

I ban that fool and i LIKE IT. take that

Moronic8 votes

I think its more that people just don't enjoy playing against them, like Zed.

I Never ADC6 votes

Zed isn't even strong right now. He doesn't need any more nerfs. I actually find him WEAK in his current state.

Rarely have problems against him, only a good zed player can do well with him nowadays

BloodyTompon6 votes

His ban rate is falling. The translation of nerfs into lower ban rate is generally slow for very high banned champs( like Zed).

doombotMECHA2 votes

because people REMEMBER

King of Mongoose5 votes

honestly anyone who still bans zed deserves bronze

Battlebeaver2 votes

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honestly anyone who still bans zed deserves bronze

if Zedmercy aka redmercy diamond/master tier zed main claims he is a bit too strong

chipndip11 votes

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if Zedmercy aka redmercy diamond/master tier zed main claims he is a bit too strong

The dude is a Zed main of the highest caliber. Doesn't mean Zed himself is insanely broken atm. You have a higher chance to lose with Zed on your team than otherwise.

Angry Monster4 votes

actually as the ban rate is falling and the pick rate is increasing zeds win rate is going up also.

Looking at champ.gg graphs actually proving a correlation.

http://champion.gg/champion/Zed

Zed was only under preforming due to lack of mains getting decent practice time. Still ban worthy

King of Mongoose3 votes

Oh shit ban zed

HellsTrueKing4 votes

Will nerfing Zed really make a difference? I mean in the grander scheme of things. Part of me thinks even if they nerf him, he will still be banned. Although it would depend on the size of the nerf.

I guess what I'm trying to figure out is whether the real problem with Zed is how strong he is, or is it just his kit. My instinct tells me it's really his kit people hate (although I could be wrong). In my opinion, a 'toxic' or 'anti-fun' kit will always be a problem no matter how strong it is. For example, Leblanc will always be my own personal most hated champ ever, even if they nerf her to the ground. I hate her that much.

On a side note: Just to satisfy my own personal curiosity, what do you find fun about him? I've tried him before and didn't really get it.

Rito Staff1 votes

He's fun to make "plays" with. But this video got me going, it's beautiful :3 (watch only the first few so you'll see)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1jz0Z2cXhM

I hate Le blanc too, she's so obnoxious, I don't even know why she has that burst, she doesn't come off as an assassin at all but rather as a mage-deceiver, her kit is interesting but it shouldn't be an 100-0 type of thing imo :p

I remember at Worlds seeing a LB go from outer mid tower to inner, one shotting Tristana and teleporting back to safety. All <1s it was awkward lol I hope Riot got a little be of shame there

LankPants5 votes

I hate Le blanc too, she's so obnoxious, I don't even know why she has that burst, she doesn't come off as an assassin at all but rather as a mage-deceiver, her kit is interesting but it shouldn't be an 100-0 type of thing imo :p

I find that moderately ironic considering Zed's kit problems are the exact same as Leblanc. He deals too much damage too quickly too safely. Even if his damage is delayed he still deals it instantly and can quickly escape with zero risk. This is what makes both Zed and Leblanc incredibly frustrating and obnoxious, Zed is slightly worse though because of his infinite manaless waveclear.

Umbra Ionia2 votes

Zed cant QR(Q)Ignite and kill you withouth skillshots. The problem of Zed are the ar.pen. items and keystones.

LankPants3 votes

Zed cant QR(Q)Ignite and kill you withouth skillshots.

Nore can Leblanc.

LB's QR deals 610+(1.4 AP), In any situation where she has a reasonable amount of AP that won't kill anyone even with ignite. At 500 AP that's still 1.3K magic, if you're not miles ahead that won't kill. I'd agree that this probably does do too much damage, buts saying it oneshots is basically BS.

doombotMECHA7 votes

I watch that video and all I see is zed escaping any and all threats with his 1 invul and 4000 blinks

Rito Staff1 votes

see for example the 2nd clip they show, Yasuo could've stepped away from Zed's shadow, he just wasnt expecting it but that wasnt unfair at all

Immortal spax4 votes

Let's nerf a 45% winrate champ - (Gameplay, 2016)

Meanwhile...

Don't nerf a 58% winrate champ, she is fine like that - (Gameplay, 2016)

Xeruon2 votes

Oh, nice to see you again good friend.

Yep definietly agree on that, Boards at it's finest.

Boxpencil3 votes

I ban zed cause I don't know whats meta, its kinda like a reflex ya know :D

Rito Staff2 votes

XD I do that alot

Arakadia3 votes

Zed doesnt really need more nerfs, maybe changes but not nurfs imho.

Only Play Darius3 votes

Zed isn't even good right now

RagnatheBloodedg3 votes

Sad thing is they just need to buff aatrox's base stats so he isn't just his passive until level 4.

Stars Shaper2 votes

I always said that if a team mate bans your pick you should get a free dodge and more chance to get that role again on the next match.

Rito Staff3 votes

I rage hard and when I can I pick the champion my teammate was going to play himself. I took Lucian midlane xD and won at least.

That seems like it'd take even longer to start a match :P but maybe it works I dunno

Handin Out Naps2 votes

I don't see Zed bans too often these days, hopefully the lower elos catch up soon. Feelsbadman.

Hrkk Ptoo2 votes

Yea LET ME JUNGLE AURILEN SOL!!!!!!

FortisDominus2 votes

Zed is not good right now and anyone who bans him is grabage

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