Vayne is a cancer to this game

OHminus·Dec 31, 2017·18 votes·2,084 views

No matter how you look at it, she's unhealthy for game balance. NO one should be able to do that much damage to tanks and squishies alike and NO one should be able to get that much of a free pass for going 0/5 in lane all because she build 2 items. It's insane.

I propose that Vayne keep her identity as a tank buster - she can keep the max% hp true damage (even though I hate that passive) in exchange for reduced crit damage, like Yasuo. Silver bolts are meant to kill big, scary werewolves , not little children and innocent artists

Thoughts?

27 Comments

AhristocatsDec 31, 20176 votes

this thread doesn't make sense, at least not to me

vayne does not deal "so much damage to squishies" ever since they removed Q critting

if you think vayne deals too much damage to squishies, what is draven jhin corki twitch mf quinn?

lol, it's like a meme

Ludens PulseDec 31, 20175 votes

a not fed vayne in a game i was playing at my club for college one shot the adc on my team with a tumble and an auto

TrikzterzArmaDec 31, 20175 votes

Every fed adc can do that

ShiniXIIDec 31, 20177 votes

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Every fed adc can do that

i dont think you noticed

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a not fed

Wicked HunterJan 1, 20181 votes

A not fed is not everything u can have 3 kills but if ur enemy has much better farm than you that ain t an advantage for you. 1 kill is around 14-15 farm if i m not wrong so kills are not everything. One time i got flamed by my team for nothing and I played vayne so i decided to go farm and stay away from them. Then they cried like morons after they cursed me and stuff and I only farmed in that time. I went for fun with Vayne in one encounter i killed them like they were nothing I had the best farm in the game I was way ahead of my team and enemies

AhristocatsDec 31, 20173 votes

anecdotes are not proof of balance

vayne's numbers compared to other adcs make her shit at killing squishies compared to other adcs

vayne is broken, but i cannot accept all the bullshit the boards spread about her

NyarlathοtepJan 1, 2018

vayne does not deal "so much damage to squishies" ever since they removed Q critting

She still does dmg. Tho most of the dmg comes from press the atk.

if you think vayne deals too much damage to squishies, what is draven jhin corki twitch mf quinn

Draven needs to reposition himself to catch his axes and deal maximum dmg, meaning he is easy to be hit by skillshots. Jhin cant increase his atk speed and deals reduced dmg with crits. Corki falls of late game since he deals mostly magic dmg ( meaning he cant crit as much as others ). I dont know much about mf but she isnt much of a threat late game compared to others ( tho her ulti hurts alot). I thought quinn was dead.

AhristocatsJan 1, 20182 votes

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She still does dmg.

a carry is able to kill any targets what a surprise :^)

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Draven needs to reposition himself to catch his axes and deal maximum dmg

no he attacks you once or twice and you're dead

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Jhin cant increase his atk speed and deals reduced dmg with crits.

same than draven

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Corki falls of late game since he deals mostly magic dmg ( meaning he cant crit as much as others ).

Corki doesn't care about your magic resistance, unless you have 200 mr+ but if you have this you're going to have less armor and get destroyed by the adc

squishies have 30 magic resistance, and they get 2 shots by corki because he deals an ADC lvl of damage on AA but you have less magic resistance than armor

NyarlathοtepJan 2, 2018

a carry is able to kill any targets what a surprise :^)

Indeed. Wanna hear another suprise? A tankbuster carry burst squishy targets faster than dedicated burst champs.

no he attacks you once or twice and you're dead

If you are squishy. Or he is far ahead.

same than draven

You know i might be at best a lowly plat, but i even know that jhin dps is lower than the most adc roster.

Corki doesn't care about your magic resistance, unless you have 200 mr+ but if you have this you're going to have less armor and get destroyed by the adc squishies have 30 magic resistance, and they get 2 shots by corki because he deals an ADC lvl of damage on AA but you have less magic resistance than armor

You do know that you must buy mr if you are against corki right? Even if he is mid you still want to buy mr. Late game everyone should have at least one mr item ( provided the enemy has major ap threat ).

AR URFJan 1, 20182 votes

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this thread doesn't make sense, at least not to me

vayne does not deal "so much damage to squishies" ever since they removed Q critting

if you think vayne deals too much damage to squishies, what is draven jhin corki twitch mf quinn?

lol, it's like a meme

It's the potential that vayne has to out play those champs. god forbid she takes skill and you don't just walk up to someone and press R Q auto attack and expect to get instant results unless you're really fed. But if you look at the difference between the champs. Vayne if she mixes in her empowered Q's with auto attacks, she can kill like anyone. Just look at QTPIE's vayne plays.

AhristocatsJan 1, 20182 votes

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AR URFJan 1, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8E869EAy,comment-id=000200020000,timestamp=2018-01-01T15:55:22.792+0000)

i'm starting to wonder if god is doing something for people to not understand simple english

vayne can kill anyone because she's a carry

vayne CANNOT KILL squishies faster than squishy kills like draven and jhin

Me too like starting the sentence without capital I on "I'm".

Daddy AntsJan 1, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8E869EAy,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-12-31T21:09:49.582+0000)

this thread doesn't make sense, at least not to me

vayne does not deal "so much damage to squishies" ever since they removed Q critting

if you think vayne deals too much damage to squishies, what is draven jhin corki twitch mf quinn?

lol, it's like a meme

Draven can actually 1 shot a squishy. I've been hit by a Tristana's AA + Shiv for 60% of my hp. Corki just runs you down with his E and Autos. Twitch presses R and Penta Kills from a screen away. MF and Jhin only need a Duskblade to delete someone.

Vayne can't "1 shot" a squishy target ever since Q Crit was removed.

The problem is not the champion itself; It's ADC and Lethality itemisation.

I'd be fine with the following -

Statikk Shiv unable to crit.
Price increase on Crit items by 100-150g.
Duskblade, Ghostblade, Edge of Night and Serrated Dirk melee only. This would not gut MF and Jhin as they have viable crit builds, same for Varus.

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i think the main problem lies in the stealth of vayne, a potential 1.5s invisibility can save you from aa and even cancel the other adc's auto attack. the moment she hits r, has infinity edge and flash in a 1v1 situation you are dead. not because she deals some insane damage, because she dissapears from the map for 1.5s with no way of seeing her

It's 1 second.

And Sweeper Trinkets show a shadow of where she is.

Shaco does insane damage as well and can 1 shot a squishy but has like a 8 (?) second stealth.

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I played fucking Leona and made her go 0/5 in the first 10 minutes. What more could I do? HMMMM?

Shutting down a Hypercarry is a team effort.

If your jungler/mid laner are jacking off and not roaming to kill her then she's gonna scale, same for any Hypercarry.

If your team lets champions like Vayne Tristana Twitch Veigar Velkoz Yasuo Jinx KogMaw MasterYi Nasus Jax Azir Gangplank free farm then you deserve the loss.

If you're playing Leona, All you need to do is catch her with your E+Q+R Combo and your midlaner/adc should blow her up.

Troll for TrumpJan 1, 20181 votes

All of them can but Vayne kills tanks faster due to %true dmg.

But you can't really boil the comparison down to just that. And reducing Vayne's crit dmg isn't exactly a good solution

ShiniXIIDec 31, 20175 votes

i think the main problem lies in the stealth of vayne, a potential 1.5s invisibility can save you from aa and even cancel the other adc's auto attack. the moment she hits r, has infinity edge and flash in a 1v1 situation you are dead. not because she deals some insane damage, because she dissapears from the map for 1.5s with no way of seeing her

Ludens PulseDec 31, 20172 votes

yes that is a big part of it. stealth is just really good

ShiniXIIDec 31, 20173 votes

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yes that is a big part of it. stealth is just really good

yeah sadly people at riot games enjoy buffing stealth champions both directly and indirectly. if u want to counterplay vayne on bot u should play draven or some other adc with high damage output, playing immobile stuff and passive adcs will just gift the enemy team first blood and free gold

OHminusDec 31, 20174 votes

Played Jhin Leona vs Vayne

Vayne went 0/5 in lane, at 12 mins Kha was oneshotting her.

But then at 18 mins or so she starts three shotting Kha and Jhin simply because she built Shiv IE

Colton147Dec 31, 20171 votes

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i think the main problem lies in the stealth of vayne, a potential 1.5s invisibility can save you from aa and even cancel the other adc's auto attack. the moment she hits r, has infinity edge and flash in a 1v1 situation you are dead. not because she deals some insane damage, because she dissapears from the map for 1.5s with no way of seeing her

Shaco

ShiniXIIDec 31, 20177 votes

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i wish stealth on all champions was counterable, no exceptions

PokladnicaZlaJan 1, 20181 votes

Think press the attack has also it fair share of it's contribution to it. I was playing Nami with Xayah against Vayne and Taric, and once Taric stunned,she procced W and press the attack,after that I'm dead with just one auto. Not to mention the godly dive with Taric ulty. I wasn't my best game and Xayah herself said she doesn't play ADC often,but it made me hate Vayne with passion,if you surive her W,guess what? PtA will allow her to finish you of in just 1 AA

TKM AxeJan 1, 20183 votes

and innocent artists Jhin jhin innocent, yo wot?

SakéJan 1, 20182 votes

I ban every game

Ludens PulseDec 31, 20171 votes

i main heimerdinger and i can usually tell if im behind on how much damage i can do to minions in lane. how quick i clear it and things. And im sitting here im pretty fed and doing the damage a fed person should do. Then people like vayne come in and are behind just blow my face up like its nothing. even if i build health or something. I just vanish

Wicked HunterJan 1, 20181 votes

I keep seeing kids complaining on leaderboards about Vayne instead of just learning to play against her. Pick a champion that counters her, easy just like that. Ofc you need to know to play that champion just by picking a counter and u play like a vegetable doesn t bring you a win. Vayne has mediocre early game and you should know by now that LOL is decided mostly in the 1 st 10 minutes these days. Also there are other powerful champs out there and you complain about Vayne rlly lol.

OHminusJan 1, 20182 votes

I played fucking Leona and made her go 0/5 in the first 10 minutes. What more could I do? HMMMM?