"Enemy is full AD, buy armor!"

Altiverse·Jul 7, 2018·27 votes·8,355 views

Enemy team is: Yasuo Draven Tryndamere Yi Thresh

Guess that armor will really help against that thresh that doesn't have Conqueror.

39 Comments

JamareeJul 7, 201821 votes

Just because they can do true damage doesn't mean it is 100% conversion, yes, you should absolutely buy armor against a full AD team.

EvenJul 7, 20184 votes

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Just because they can do true damage doesn't mean it is 100% conversion, yes, you should absolutely buy armor against a full AD team.

yeah, but its 20% less effective, which is a lot.

JamareeJul 7, 20183 votes

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yeah, but its 20% less effective, which is a lot.

As opposed to not having any defenses at all?

That is like saying I shouldn't take a bullet proof vest into combat because it doesn't cover everything. 80% is still a shit ton and it adds up in the long run.

EvenJul 7, 20184 votes

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As opposed to not having any defenses at all?

That is like saying I shouldn't take a bullet proof vest into combat because it doesn't cover everything. 80% is still a shit ton and it adds up in the long run.

never said its useless, but unless you are a tank/bruiser, armor items besides item 3047 aren't really worth getting anyways.

JamareeJul 7, 20183 votes

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never said its useless, but unless you are a tank/bruiser, armor items besides aren't really worth getting anyways.

GA and Zhonya technically, but yeah, other champions can't itemize armor items into their kids well, that said, a little armor does go a long way and even those boots is good, but going PURE damage then complaining about the pure AD team doing too much damage because you refused to even buy ninja tabi, that one is just on you.

EvenJul 7, 20182 votes

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GA and Zhonya technically, but yeah, other champions can't itemize armor items into their kids well, that said, a little armor does go a long way and even those boots is good, but going PURE damage then complaining about the pure AD team doing too much damage because you refused to even buy ninja tabi, that one is just on you.

IMO, damage in general is just too high, mostly early game though, once you can itemize even a bit it really does help. But early game when you can't getting hit by one cc bot lane and dying from full hp to summoner 14 feels pretty terrible :)

JamareeJul 7, 20181 votes

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IMO, damage in general is just too high, mostly early game though, once you can itemize even a bit it really does help. But early game when you can't getting hit by one cc bot lane and dying from full hp to feels pretty terrible :)

Well early on yeah, I'm more so talking mid game.

AltiverseJul 7, 20185 votes

The difference is that you're actually losing resources through the decreased gold efficiency in the case of buying armor. The analogy of "vest vs nothing at all" doesn't really fit here. You'd instead have to say "vest which offers decreased value versus something that doesn't".

[Inb4 "Conqueror users also waste resources by opting into Conqueror instead of other Keystones", people seem to forget that it also offers AD worth of 350-1.2k gold]

IcyPepperJul 7, 20182 votes

Not every item needs to be 100% offensive stats. Just grab a item 3026 item 3157 or something with a relatively useful passive you're comfortable with using that compliments your champion's playstyle instead of a cookie cutter build every game.

If you want to build glass cannon, go ahead if that's what you're comfortable with. Just consider adapting, as a little bit of defense can go a long way if you play smart.

JamareeJul 7, 20182 votes

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The difference is that you're actually losing resources through the decreased gold efficiency in the case of buying armor. The analogy of "vest vs nothing at all" doesn't really fit here. You'd instead have to say "vest which offers decreased value versus something that doesn't".

[Inb4 "Conqueror users also waste resources by opting into Conqueror instead of other Keystones", people seem to forget that it also offers AD worth of 350-1.2k gold]

You shouldn't be going full offensive anyway, I don't care how ahead you are, if you are building pure glass cannon, you have no right to complain about damage being too high, ninja tabi and GA for armor as an AD vs AD, merc treads and hexdrinker for AD vs AP, you have defensive item options.

AltiverseJul 8, 20185 votes

I fully agree. I'd very much like to opt into defensive items - that's exactly what I'm talking about here.

The point is, currently it doesn't matter if I have 50 armor and yi kills me in 0.6sec or 115 armor (Zhonya+Tabi) and he kills me in 0.8sec. So currently the truth of the matter is that in many cases, buying defensively is simply not worth the investment.

JamareeJul 8, 20181 votes

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I fully agree. I'd very much like to opt into defensive items - that's exactly what I'm talking about here.

The point is, currently it doesn't matter if I have 50 armor and yi kills me in 0.6sec or 115 armor (Zhonya+Tabi) and he kills me in 0.8sec. So currently the truth of the matter is that in many cases, buying defensively is simply not worth the investment.

Yes, it very much does, that .2 could be the difference between life and death, think how often you are in the cases of "if I had another .x seconds, I could have used a skill to save myself."

MalakJul 8, 20181 votes

yea but in league you can only choose the vest or the gun. So the vest better do it's job - and even if it does you can always shoot the other 4 enemies while you with the vest can only run at people

Fízz v2Jul 7, 201813 votes

I mean, against THAT team if all of them have conqueror, you probably shouldnt build armor past like minute 15-20. Even a full tank is gonna get melted in 0.5 seconds lol

JamareeJul 7, 20188 votes

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I mean, against THAT team if all of them have conqueror, you probably shouldnt build armor past like minute 15-20. Even a full tank is gonna get melted in 0.5 seconds lol

You very much should build armor, at least a ninja tabis.

MarshbouyJul 8, 20186 votes

and for the love of god get item 3143

Crescent DuskJul 8, 20184 votes

Like that does anything against said champs who build Bloodthirster and PD and proceed to outsustain bruisers and tanks.

What can stop a Yasuo with PD+IE+Bloodthirster in split push? A Jax/Fiora/Yi/Trynda building for the same retarded OP bloodthirster true damage lifesteal healing of course.

Fighters are plain broken by lifesteal and the ease of armor penetration available in the game.

Mobile, high damage fighters who easily delete mages and ADC's should not be outdueling immobile bruisers, ever.

This lifesteal ridiculousness needs to burn in hell. The lifesteal on the item should only apply to ranged ADC's who actually need the survival tools.

HügöJul 8, 20185 votes

But then i just build damage and try to kill them fasten then they can kill me. It is way more effective then building defensive. Sad but true.

2Charmnot2CharmJul 8, 20181 votes

But then i just build damage and try to kill them fasten then they can kill me.

Tryndamere

Good luck with that.

Sp33d Zer0Jul 9, 20181 votes

So don't fight Tryndamere 1 on 1 where he is designed to be strong.

HügöJul 9, 20181 votes

Not like there are option to chunk him down and use dashes/disengages until his ult runes out right?.

2Charmnot2CharmJul 9, 20181 votes

You're assuming the champ being played has dashes, disengage won't keep him off of you in a 1v1 chase ether especially when he has
Trynda has a slow in his kit
https://i.imgur.com/YKJ8iqA.png Read that passive and tell me you can just run from him again.

It's funny that you think building damage as tank suddenly means you can be some threat to Yasuo, Yi, Tryndamere.

Oh and lets not forget that any damage you do would be absorbed by the lifesteal ad champs have access to so seriously good luck forcing Tryndamere to pop ult unless you're ap malphite, in which cause you still lose since you can't get away from him after unloading :^)

Bob the ToastrJul 8, 20181 votes

I mean, they only get like half true damage so it can't be that good against armor right? Right? Right?

VeraskaJul 7, 20186 votes

Dont listen to these idiots armor is a trap! What you should be doing is getting MORE AD and killing THEM deader

LocatedEagle232Jul 8, 20186 votes

HONESTLY True damage makes armor kind of trash right now. It's really depressing because I once LOST a ranked game against a full AD team because when i checked my death recap (as a tank) I had like 1k true damage on average... Yi man...

T I L T B O IJul 7, 20183 votes

it's almost like health is a counter to true damage and items with armor have health in most cases

AltiverseJul 7, 20185 votes

? There's not a single item that offers both HP and Armor that isn't bought just by full tanks. And there's rarely more than a single tank in a team, if any at all, with true damage shoven into everyone and their mother right now.

The bottom line is, that if you're anything but an actual tank, "buy armor!" is pretty ridiculous right now.

T I L T B O IJul 8, 20181 votes

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? There's not a single item that offers both HP and Armor that isn't bought just by full tanks. And there's rarely more than a single tank in a team, if any at all, with true damage shoven into everyone and their mother right now.

The bottom line is, that if you're anything but an actual tank, "buy armor!" is pretty ridiculous right now.

wtf are you talking about lmao, why would items have more than health, armor, and effect? you can easily build 2 items armor or mr and all the rest damage and be much more resilient

AtheosisXJul 8, 20181 votes

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? There's not a single item that offers both HP and Armor that isn't bought just by full tanks.

item 3742

PopcornBunniJul 8, 201810 votes

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it's almost like health is a counter to true damage and items with armor have health in most cases

item 3068 item 3742 84% gold efficient item 3143 78% gold efficient item 3075 74% gold efficient

item 3072 101% gold efficient item 3031 78% by itself, 111% gold efficient as a second buy, 122% with two crit items (it actually peaks at 127% then dips down to 122% with the competed second crit item). item 3095 105% gold efficient item 3071 100% gold efficient even before removing the already low gold value from a tank item 1416 100% or more gold efficient against any target with more than 375 max health item 3153 100+% if their current health is 363 or more.

That's without going into the horrible slot inefficiency of tank items or the true damage that removes gold value from the armor portion of them.

MordepoolJul 7, 20183 votes

Buy health and MR everything else is garbage

PhearBunnyJul 8, 20183 votes

Ninja Tabi BC Titanic Steraks PD DD Zhonyas GA

Are all better tank items than actual tank items.

They should probably make TANK ONLY items, so that they can properly bring tank items into the game without other classes exploiting them.

ZephyrDrakeJul 8, 20181 votes

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Ninja Tabi BC Titanic Steraks PD DD Zhonyas GA

Are all better tank items than actual tank items.

They should probably make TANK ONLY items, so that they can properly bring tank items into the game without other classes exploiting them.

tell me about how would you actually make something "tank only" and none of those items are better tanks items than actual tank items. Sorry that tank items don't allow you to negate damage entirely

PrinceOfStormsJul 8, 20182 votes

Tabis needs to be buffed to 40% and work against true damage. Also, Thornmail needs to reflect 25% of pre-mitigation damage from AAs.

T I L T B O IJul 8, 20182 votes

Lol it's really sad that this post has upvotes, I will admit bruiser types and assassins are a bit strong, but saying armor doesn't work is just ridiculous

M00ndanc3Jul 8, 20184 votes

your right, armor does work really well.

unless the enemy has- item 3071 item 3033 item 3036 item 3031 item 3814 item 3147 item 3142 or if they have conquoror or if there Darius Camille Vayne Rengar MasterYi MonkeyKing Yasuo

T I L T B O IJul 9, 20181 votes

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your right, armor does work really well.

unless the enemy has- or if they have conquoror or if there

even if they have those things if you're building tank with a team that has damage dealers and playing properly you will win fights, but if you're terrible at the game, and always behind, it's not a surprise you'd be losing while building armor, this post is a giant echo chamber of butthurt kids so i'll just take another 50000 downvotes while speaking the absolute truth.