So Soraka is getting nerfed in like 6 different areas

Subject 5·Dec 8, 2015·5 votes·1,083 views

And the only thing she can do is heal.

Must have had a hand in deciding on the nerf because this guy still has everything in the game but sustain.

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Dominick DestineDec 8, 20157 votes

Soraka is not one of Riot's Protected Children ( LeeSin Yasuo Thresh )

AnihakuDec 8, 20151 votes

Is it sad that I'm ok with thresh being protected lol?

Indominus BladeDec 8, 20151 votes

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Soraka is not one of Riot's Protected Children ( )

Yasuo and Thresh have been nerfed to oblivion, get a clue.

AnihakuDec 8, 20151 votes

Thresh is nerfed to oblivion........now I want to hear about what he was like before because I'm ok with him currently.

What was he like before?

Indominus BladeDec 8, 20151 votes

stronger damage, stronger early game, stronger stats, lower cds.

EKHrne8OnFDec 8, 20154 votes

Oh no, riot nerfed the strongest champion in the entire game. Why would they do that?

Subject 5Dec 8, 20152 votes

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Oh no, riot nerfed the strongest champion in the entire game. Why would they do that?

You mean the person that is suppose to function as a healer is actually serving her functioning role?

Fuck that, nerf her Q range, W mana costs, make sure she can't heal at all with removing her ult passive and etc. Meanwhile you have more than 40 champions that can kill Soraka in half a second. Have you ever heard of Vi? Nocturne? Malphite? Ori? This is just an example of Riot tending to the higher head count instead of what the game actually needs. There is so many ways to get rid of Soraka it is unreal. I would just like to quote Riot on something similar that they said.

"If it is being used in the LC$ chances are that champion is broken."

Penguin EclipseDec 8, 20151 votes

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You mean the person that is suppose to function as a healer is actually serving her functioning role?

Fuck that, nerf her Q range, W mana costs, make sure she can't heal at all with removing her ult passive and etc. Meanwhile you have more than 40 champions that can kill Soraka in half a second. Have you ever heard of Vi? Nocturne? Malphite? Ori? This is just an example of Riot tending to the higher head count instead of what the game actually needs. There is so many ways to get rid of Soraka it is unreal. I would just like to quote Riot on something similar that they said.

"If it is being used in the LC$ chances are that champion is broken."

60.2% banrate. Soraka IS broken. Those champions are not killing Soraka in 1/2 second. They are not killing Soraka at all. Hence he nerfs. Unfortunately they didn't address Warmogs Soraka, meaning there will likely be another set of nerfs in the near future.

Subject 5Dec 8, 20151 votes

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60.2% banrate. Soraka IS broken. Those champions are not killing Soraka in 1/2 second. They are not killing Soraka at all. Hence he nerfs. Unfortunately they didn't address Warmogs Soraka, meaning there will likely be another set of nerfs in the near future.

Remember when Heimerdinger had the highest winrate for several seasons? And remember when people still banned Darius and Garen after they were balanced for 90% of the time? Yeah, good times. Stat bias is stat bias though.

Penguin EclipseDec 8, 20152 votes

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Remember when Heimerdinger had the highest winrate for several seasons? And remember when people still banned Darius and Garen after they were balanced for 90% of the time? Yeah, good times. Stat bias is stat bias though.

Garen and Darius were broken. Just like Soraka is now. They were fixed and the banrate eventually came down first in high elo and then in low elo. Soraka has yet to be fixed on live and maintains a 56.48% banrate in high elo. But nice try.

Subject 5Dec 8, 20152 votes

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Garen and Darius were broken. Just like Soraka is now. They were fixed and the banrate eventually came down first in high elo and then in low elo. Soraka has yet to be fixed on live and maintains a 56.48% banrate in high elo. But nice try.

Remember when I said after they were balanced?

I mean hey, let's just ignore the fact that more than 50 champions counter Soraka, more than 4 items counters Soraka and that most supports are capable of doing more than just 1 thing.

Thresh This guy has been sitting in god tier since release. Meanwhile Soraka has a heal, another heal, a heal. And a silence.

AnihakuDec 8, 20151 votes

Because thresh is one of the protected champs that Riot won't nerf..............yet

AnihakuDec 8, 20151 votes

I agree with you.....they aren't done yet. I would not be surprised in the slightest to see another nerf down the road pertaining to WM Soraka. I must admit that it's quite fun to build on ARAM ;D

AxestsDec 8, 20153 votes

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You mean the person that is suppose to function as a healer is actually serving her functioning role?

Fuck that, nerf her Q range, W mana costs, make sure she can't heal at all with removing her ult passive and etc. Meanwhile you have more than 40 champions that can kill Soraka in half a second. Have you ever heard of Vi? Nocturne? Malphite? Ori? This is just an example of Riot tending to the higher head count instead of what the game actually needs. There is so many ways to get rid of Soraka it is unreal. I would just like to quote Riot on something similar that they said.

"If it is being used in the LC$ chances are that champion is broken."

soraka was broken because of her point and click spam heal that was just too powerful. I remember a number of times, even before the massive buff from the new healing mastery, where i'd lose teamfights simply because soraka pressed r and made the tank immortal. It's un-fun to play against and the nerf was needed to take away from it's strength.

CrazedPorcupineDec 8, 20152 votes

Her "Ult passive" Was pointless after the changes to grievous wounds. It was an arbitrary thing that no longer served a real purpose. They originally put it in so that Soraka could really pull off those "SAVIOR OF ALL" moments with her ult without her ult's massive heal being reduced by GW.

as for that quote by Riot, That's the truth. Pros want to WIN. There is THOUSANDS of dollars on the line in the pro scene. They're going to take the most broken, most OP champs in the game at any given point in time to increase their chances of winning.

Subject 5Dec 8, 20151 votes

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Her "Ult passive" Was pointless after the changes to grievous wounds. It was an arbitrary thing that no longer served a real purpose. They originally put it in so that Soraka could really pull off those "SAVIOR OF ALL" moments with her ult without her ult's massive heal being reduced by GW.

as for that quote by Riot, That's the truth. Pros want to WIN. There is THOUSANDS of dollars on the line in the pro scene. They're going to take the most broken, most OP champs in the game at any given point in time to increase their chances of winning.

Thresh LeeSin Yeah, pretty much. I don't really see Soraka all that much in professional scenes.

AnihakuDec 8, 20153 votes

Strongest champion in the game......rofl

EKHrne8OnFDec 8, 20151 votes

doesnt play ranked......rofl

AnihakuDec 8, 20151 votes

Not yet, but hopefully for season 6 :D

warpenguin555Dec 8, 20152 votes

Probably because shes a massive pain in the ass. All i got

CoolKnightSTDec 8, 20152 votes

Tankness is also gone item 3035

MohawkBirdDec 8, 20151 votes

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CoolKnightSTDec 8, 20151 votes

Thresh only has bonus armor

Penguin EclipseDec 8, 20152 votes

I don't think I would have gone about it the way Riot did. But she is not even close to being gutted. Her core strengths remain. Her broken builds (warmogs raka) remain. These are little more than taps.

CrazedPorcupineDec 8, 20151 votes

Actually, the mana cost increase on W is pretty severe hit to Warmogs SV raka. You now have to build a big mana regen item. Crucible or Censor are both good options.

Twitch ChatDec 8, 20152 votes

Thank u based riot games hopefully the chemotherapy works and cancergoat goes away forever

DeathBurstDec 8, 20152 votes

Maybe you could list the 6 different areas? Because in the patch notes, I can see only 3 lines, not 6.

Also, the ult doesn't remove Grievous Wounds anymore. But Grievous Wounds does not reduce external healing anymore. So the healing from the ult won't be reduce by Grievous Wounds on allies, only on Soraka herself.

Subject 5Dec 8, 20151 votes

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Maybe you could list the 6 different areas? Because in the patch notes, I can see only 3 lines, not 6.

Also, the ult doesn't remove Grievous Wounds anymore. But Grievous Wounds does not reduce external healing anymore. So the healing from the ult won't be reduce by Grievous Wounds on allies, only on Soraka herself.

Q -Range -Safety -Adds risk factor -Forces Soraka to stand in front line (Because Soraka is a frontline support, ;) ) W nerf -Sustainability -Reliability

These are all the areas Soraka will be hit, unlike number nerfs mechanical nerfs are massive when it comes to something as fragile as Soraka. When 2 hits from a late game adc or mid game adc can take you out of the fight, you really need something to help keep you going.

Edit: That ultimate is HARDLY a nerf to Soraka but it still is. Soraka doesn't have very much. She has healing, which can be prevented in so many ways.

DeathBurstDec 8, 20153 votes

Please, try to be more redundant and I'm sure you can reach at least "10 areas".

How is "Safety", "Risk factor" and "Forced to Stand in frontline" three different things?

Subject 5Dec 8, 20151 votes

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Please, try to be more redundant and I'm sure you can reach at least "10 areas".

How is "Safety", "Risk factor" and "Forced to Stand in frontline" three different things?

Safety: the possibility of something happening in the game that will hurt you. Individually not safe. Risk factor: You go in to Q and there is a possibility unlike before that somebody will end up catching you for trying to steal 150 hp.

I will admit that you got me on the Forced to stand in frontline but this is a big one. The difference between safety is that Soraka is not a safe champion to play. She can't defend herself. Which means individually she is not a safe champion. Risk factor is in the game while it is happening. She has a really big risk factor outside of lane for using Q unless if she isn't spotted.

KrinuDec 8, 20152 votes

Soraka main here. The nerfs are nasty because...

Her Q's time-to-impact scales based on how far away the impact point is from the launch point as a percentage of maximum range. Thus, every single Soraka is going to be missing Q skillshots for the next month while they figure out how to time the impacts again.
She needs to buy a mana regeneration item now. Previously, you could successfully support while going full-tilt down your Eye of the Oasis build path then pick up boots, but failing to build mana regen means she's going to run dry very quickly.

Subject 5Dec 8, 20151 votes

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Soraka main here. The nerfs are nasty because...

Her Q's time-to-impact scales based on how far away the impact point is from the launch point as a percentage of maximum range. Thus, every single Soraka is going to be missing Q skillshots for the next month while they figure out how to time the impacts again.

She needs to buy a mana regeneration item now. Previously, you could successfully support while going full-tilt down your Eye of the Oasis build path then pick up boots, but failing to build mana regen means she's going to run dry very quickly.

On all of the out of meta champions, I usually sacrifice vision for an early tear and buy a few wards and pinks. Now I just buy pinks because, well. You know. People are just upset that they can't burn down an enemy adc and then zone them from farm while Soraka is in the lane to heal the marksman. Supports like Zilean support I buy an early tear. Sona, tear. Sacrificing vision is an awful thing but I would rather not sit around manaless and useless.

KrinuDec 8, 20152 votes

That's pretty risky on Soraka, though, because you have zero ways to stop somebody from destroying your face if they get the drop on you.

AnihakuDec 8, 20151 votes

Seriously though!!!!! Why did she get so many nerfs this patch. I really don't think people understand how massively this will change her. I just really don't understand it myself BUT we will see how this turns out.

All in all........not a fan of most of the changes this patch ESPECIALLY because Raka was hit hard moreso than anyone else as far as I can see right now.

Makes me sad : /

Twitch ChatDec 8, 20151 votes

Lol the soraka main nerds in this thread thinking that the removal of her GW cleanse actually matters. They already removed all of the realistic counter play this champ had at the start of preseason so stop whining about your minor nerfs.

Subject 5Dec 8, 20153 votes

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Lol the soraka main nerds in this thread thinking that the removal of her GW cleanse actually matters. They already removed all of the realistic counter play this champ had at the start of preseason so stop whining about your minor nerfs.

Minor nerfs

Remember when they nerfed one thing in Lee's kit and the entire community had an asthma attack.

Yeah well Soraka is getting hit in 5 different places. For healing. Like she is suppose to do. As a healer. Which heals people.

CrazedPorcupineDec 8, 20152 votes

Oh look, Windspeaker's blessing still increases her heals by 10%, Resolve masteries still make Soraka super tanky. Soraka can still build a Freaking Mikael's Crucible and have plenty of mana regen to spam her W and Q.

She has to put herself in harms way to sustain her Q spam. Guess what, Soraka has always been meant to be played as, RISKY HEALING. Heal too much, or put yourself in harms way, and accept the risk of being jumped on. They're hitting Raka so that she's less safe. WHICH IS WHAT WAS ALWAYS MEANT BY HER REWORK. By making her riskier to play. They hit her power in a meaningful way that doesn't take away from her incredibly OP spammy heals.

EKHrne8OnFDec 8, 20151 votes

the values on soraka's heals werent even changed. Stop posting

AnihakuDec 8, 20151 votes

Just saw that you play supports often and sometimes Soraka.

As someone who doesn't play ranked.........I'm curious about your rank and how Soraka differs there compared to when I play her unranked.

Also, since you have a good grasp on her, what do you think about her changes? Would you like someothing else to be done?

StellafreyjaDec 8, 20151 votes

Gonna go heal bot Soraka instead. item 3065 + item 3083

Malix FarwinDec 8, 20151 votes

You must be high if you didnt think she wasn't going to get nerfed.

Sinister AnubisDec 8, 20151 votes

Because she needs to change when she is nearly perma banned in every game as a support no less!!! Something massive neds to change. Sorry your freelo support can't do as much as you want her to do.