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Some Thoughts, Issues, and Possible Solutions For New Kayle

IndyBoy·3/19/2019, 10:34:59 AM·4 votes·3,684 views
r/Kaylemains - Some Thoughts, Issues, and Possible Solutions For New Kayle

This is a crosspost of a discussion I posted in r/KayleMains and I figured I might as well post it here as well.

So I played a few games with new Kayle and I have four big issues with her updated kit and I’d like to see what people think.

She's much easier to kite than she used to be: Kayle never used to be a champ that was kited, in fact it was quite contrary, she was an amazing kiter. In my opinion her Q being a targeted ability really used to helped with her consistency, sure her new Q is longer range, but it’s slow and is blocked by minions so it’s incredibly inconsistent.

Q is underwhelming: I’m just going to make this its own thing even though it ties in with the first part, her new Q is wayyyy too inconsistent. Sure the range is longer but the cast time delay and the slow missile speed completely neuter this ability and make it much less powerful for catching people out. Her old Q was much more consistent and even though it had a shorter range was much better for catching people out. NOT TO MENTION it can’t go through minions anymore which only makes it more inconsistent.

Ult is just bad now, or at the very least highly underwhelming: Her old ult used to allow her to auto attack while she was invulnerable which made her an amazing duelist as well as making her much more of an issue in team fights. Before the changes you used to be able to walk up to a good number of champs, especially enemy ADC’s, and just completely outduel them, she’s absolutely lost that ability in a ton of matchups. Sure, the damage is nice but that implies that you, a ranged champion, are now in melee range of your target…… what. I’d rather just be able to kite properly and mitigate the damage from other ranged carries and still provide auto damage to a fight. It just feels like it doesn’t synchronize well with her kit anymore.

This champion cannot function without a frontline anymore: In my honest opinion if you don’t have a frontline you’re at a distinct disadvantage now compared to old kayle. At least with old Kayle it used to be much easier to either A: go off and split in a side lane and duel people or B: catch people out with your Q(which I’ve already discussed is much more unreliable now.) Now it seems like you’re forced into the role of being an ok ADC with mediocre mobility and the inability to provide consistent damage while ulted.

The only 2 possible changes I’d like: -The ability to auto while ulting. This is the big one to be honest, please Rito. Give me back my dueling machine, I personally would take a massive damage nerf on her ult for the ability to auto through this. -Range and/or missile speed increase on her Q. Also the ability for her Q to travel through minions.

Those are my biggest issues with new Kayle, I’d love to hear what people thought. Thank you for reading. :)

5 Comments

Titanium703/19/2019, 3:11:38 PM7 votes

First thing to realize: Kayle is currently on the strong side! If anything Nerfs are what you can expect over the next patches.

That what's currently on PBE:

  • AD per level lowered from 3 to 2.5
  • Attack speed per level lowered from 2 to 1.5
  • Celestial Blessing (W) Bonus movement speed from AP lowered from [10% per 100 AP] to [8% per 100 AP]

  • The Q in it selfe is fine. It's a strong Spell with alot more use than the old Q and 50% Armor shred is INSANE, especially for TFs! Sadly its indicators as well as its visuals are complete dog shit! The amount of times I think "WTF that hit" OR "WTF that didn't hit" is hilarious even after hundreds of uses by now! Just compare the indicator to Graves and Lissadras Qs...

  • To no longer be able to AA while Ulting was to be expected. It's something you need to get used but once you did it really doesnt bother you as much. I prefer a stonger Kit with the current ult HEAVILY over a weaker Kit with the ability to AA while Ulting. This feature simply eats far to much of the total powerbudget - imo.

  • I somewhat agree on your last point which is why I play Kayle in Midlane instead of Top. IF you have a stong fighter (like Renek, Darius) by your side you can pretty much 2v5 without much sweat. Besides, outsustaining a Mage in Mid is easier than surviving a Diver on Top! (Most APs in Mid are actually weaker than you early on! #nerf_mages btw.... my ass!)

Rester3/19/2019, 10:45:38 AM2 votes

If you want her to auto while ulting they'd have to take away the damage from the ult itself.

However I will agree with the whole Q thing.

Nyarlathοtep3/19/2019, 4:58:41 PM

Her old ult used to allow her to auto attack while she was invulnerable which made her an amazing duelist

She can still aa during her ulti. It just happens to have 1 sec cast time (or so). Plus , her ulti deals dmg which is there to offset her less dps when she uses it.