Any plans for kindred

Shadow Hazard·Nov 22, 2016·2 votes·613 views

The champ is in a really sad state right now. Even sadder that the only marksman designed specifically to jungle is being outdone by literally every other jungle capable marksman.

Maybe revert one or two of the previous nerfs
Add bonus scaling to the marks from either AD or attack speed
There was an idea thrown out to consider letting the Q proc on hits
the more recent one of adding crit interaction

Almost anything would help at this point, and there isn't much more you could take away from a champ that is performing worse than warwick in the jungle.

6 Comments

B00B00Nov 22, 20161 votes

the main problem comes form APen removal as They scaled best with the stat and snowballed from that + AS, with lethality now in place it's reduced Kindred's effectiveness, if you ask me give her some bonus Lethality scaling early so she can still be the champ she wa initially designed to be, that or just change her scaling and stats completely as a champion in herself she's fine imho.

edit: perhaps give her E a lethality scaling effect/option on proc or something that may also work.

WarlockLawNov 22, 20162 votes

I never built any armor pen on them, and from my memory their core build was always Bloodrazor (formerly Devour) into Runaan's. Neither of those have armor pen on them, and the most frequent armor pen item I've seen on them is Black Cleaver, which wasn't changed.

Their biggest hit was the fervor change. They used to stack a lot of attack speed and hit 3 people at once with its onhit damage. Now that it's bonus AD, they deals less damage than before. Coupled with that, the jungle changes did not favor them too much since they can't take raptors easily on their first clear without dying, and their first mark is sometimes on the enemy raptors. They also relied on the Krugs smite buff for early clears because they has no sustain in their kit.

B00B00Nov 22, 20161 votes

their AD ratios are low and most of her damage comes as % of targets health, which can be better increased via penetration.

the reason razor/runaan's is core as it increases her damage with her in-built %/shred and is increased ten fold with armour pen, which is why you can demolish any tank in the game (with armour pen, pre patch) faster than anything barring vayne and of course squishes are one shot.

by one shot i mean her E > AA, Q to cancel animation > insta E proc combo.

So Warrior + Bork + LW and your Armor Pen reds gives her very solid dps.

personally i find Razor > Runaan's > cleaver > BotrK > LW/Mortal (depending on team) most effective, though Warrior is effectively better.

BotrK compliments her % dmg.

WarlockLawNov 22, 20161 votes

I realize that their AD ratios are underwhelming, but if you care about tank busting Black Cleaver and Last Whisper were still better for that then trying to stack armor pen after your first 2 items and boots. The only armor pen item I recall ever building on Kindred was Maw, I never built Youmuu's or Duskblade. The lethality changes also made sure that lethality isn't great for killing tanks, so unless you want her to be an assassin they shouldn't get in built synergy with it.

I'm entirely positive that the armor pen/lethality changes weren't nearly as impactful as the Fervor of Battle or general jungle changes were.

B00B00Nov 22, 20161 votes

eh?

**black cleaver: **

UNIQUE: Dealing physical damage to an enemy champion Cleaves them, reducing their armor by 5% for 6 seconds, stacking up to 6 times for a maximum of 30%.

Lord Doms:

UNIQUE – LAST WHISPER: +45% Bonus Armor Penetration. -> it is a component.

they both impact and increase Kindereds Armour pen and Lord doms also compliments her % stats.

apart from Krugs stun for the jungle i can't really see anything that works against her inheritnly and i 100% on fervour change that hit her very hard, if anything the Scryer's bloom should make her invade even more aggressively and play more effectively on counter jungling

Shadow HazardNov 22, 20161 votes

Not sure why there was a need for 2 responses?.... The core build of having APen in a bruiser-ish fashion hasn't changed with BC+FM being core since they also need ways to handle the fact that they are the most vulnerable of the jungle marksman. Scryer's didn't help in any way since yes you can scout but it also shows to the enemy they are being scouted. The increased jungle timers mean that there is less opportunity to get jungle marks and with the first marks potentially being on raptors it would suck since that camp is known to maul primarily single target champs like kindred. As mentioned the fervor change hit the champ hard as kindred is an on hit champ, not an AD or crit champ so there is distinctly less damage being done to champs also taking away their ability to get marks from champs. Kindred was already in a barely in healthy good state this was a kick into the grave change for kindred.