Its time to remove 
from ezreal builds, no other adc can rush a 65 armor item and still do damage afterwards, combined with him taking tp and being so extremely safe makes lanes super boring while he still scales hard.
Ćold As Ice15 voteswe should remove the whole Q being on hit part and buff the Q damage it would be easier to balance
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we should remove the whole Q being on hit part and buff the Q damage it would be easier to balance
but on-hit are the only items he ever built and the only items that he can build.
What you're asking is to literally remove any synegry between his kit and the ONLY items that work on him, what's he going to build? Crit? Lethality, with no mana? It's like wanting tanks to not buildy tank items but crit instead, it just doesn't work.
I don't even play Ez but there's a hundred different ways to nerf him and you choose the worst
Wen2941 votesIf they make his Qs able to crit then it wouldn't even be that bad.
Karn Bishop1 votesIf they can justify a large shift in playstyles in champions like eve and other reworks for the sake of balance and reducing how unfair a champion feels they can do so for ezreal as well, remove his on hit stuff change and buff his spells as needed.
KlydeFrog1 votesSo he becomes sivir or varus
3141592ab7 votesMy thought is let him be safe and build gauntlet but since he is so safe, he should scale worse than every other ADC. I don't understand why they let his ult do extra damage after they BUFFED his w in the rework. It also makes him one of the best turret busters in the game. He should be safe but also have the lowest damage output of the ADCs to counter that.
Ahris1 votesBut he has one of worst waveclears in game.
DeathBurst4 votes... but also have the lowest damage output of the ADCs to counter that.
Well... He does. Ezreal DPS, especially if he builds a Gauntlet, is much lower than Kaisa, or Ashe, or Sivir, or Jinx, or any other Crit ADC.
OtterlyLost2 votesHe actually does not. He has one of the highest Damage to Champion outputs in the game.
https://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.totalDamageDealtToChampions&order=descend He's like fifth in the list. The only ADC passing him is Kog'maw.
DeathBurst2 votesOverall damage in a game is not DPS. Ezreal total damage is so high because of all his poke, but poke that doesn't lead to a kill is useless damage.
Take a look at Teemo in your own link for instance. He's even above Ezreal. But he is so high because of all the shrooms he spreads all over the map, and that is a lot of damage that doesn't lead to anything. No one ever claimed Teemo DPS was one of the highest in the game.
Or look at the other champs above Ezreal. They all are long range mages with a lot of poke. Velkoz, Xerath, Ziggs.
Durzaka3 votesThats more because all of his damage is poke. He throws out a shit ton of it, so it adds up. But in the end, a lot of the damage is irrelevant. Same reason Ziggs and Xerath are at the top of that list as well.
Someone like kaisa, or Jinx put Ezreals damage to shame in terms of actual dps.
FSRER3 votesAnd Gauntlet is not his only problem. Have you seen the ratios on all his abilities? Gauntlet is a problem but the biggest is his scaling
Agent Muffin3 votesI don't know why they don't make it a melee only item
Crescent Dusk3 votesSame threads by the same morons every other week.
Ezreal is slippery because he's a guerrilla ADC with damage based on ability usage. He's not an autoattack champion with strong sustained damage at all, and unlike many of the other ADC's he has no aoe outside his ult.
He also is balanced around skillshots far more than any other ADC besides Varus, and Varus is trash for a reason.
Caitlyn gets a huge dash back with net shot, trap roots and humongous range with an autoaim ult, jinx chilling with insane scaling based on merely right clicking someone just like draven, both with far stronger aoe and CC. Xayah gets an immunity ult and multiperson root.
But somehow Ezreal is the problem.
Wild Geese3 votes*With how slippery he is, 
should not have a tank passive.
Linna Excel1 votesIn Fizz's defense he's a melee assassin in a ranged lane. As long as he isn't building tank items and assassinating people, it's not a problem as much as Ez.
Cloud2731 votes[{quoted}](name=Linna Excel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=82ke2I0N,comment-id=00100000,timestamp=2019-08-16T05:47:29.088+0000)
In Fizz's defense he's a melee assassin in a ranged lane. As long as he isn't building tank items and assassinating people, it's not a problem as much as Ez.
Fizz does not deserve a defense. Fizz troll pole makes him a million times safer than Ezreal will ever be, and the cooldown is much shorter. The champ deserves to be gutted hard.
overpoweredscrub2 voteswhen people think armor does anything even worth noting in the current game where you got runes that give you extra ad or ap and makes a portion of your damage deal true damage that heals as well. LOL
General Esdeath 5 voteswhen people think armor does anything even worth noting in the current game where you got runes that give you extra ad or ap and makes a portion of your damage deal true damage that heals as well. LOL
65 armor is pretty good early on, and with him being as slippery as he is while being ranged, you don't get many hits on him unless you're also ranged.
Ragnaveil3 votesAlso the slow from IBG allows him to land Q's more consistently, making his DPS higher.
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65 armor is pretty good early on, and with him being as slippery as he is while being ranged, you don't get many hits on him unless you're also ranged.
well what i mean is it isn't as good as one may think. It's definitely not bad but not op. What i mean is, if you have iceborne on ez, most of the time you will lose 1v1 to a garen with phage and boots. Once he finishes cleaver it's almost like you dont even have armor. And yes 100 armor is really good early, but a lot better on characters intended to be tanky. Ezreal has a lot and i mean a lot less health at the same level as say a garen, zac, xin zhao. You can't just face tank garen even with iceborne on ez cuz he will still rip you up so you gotta play scared and kite like adc despite having armor is what i mean. So yes it might help you survive a bit but only very little.
ThisName1sDumb1 voteswell what i mean is it isn't as good as one may think. It's definitely not bad but not op. What i mean is, if you have iceborne on ez, most of the time you will lose 1v1 to a garen with phage and boots. Once he finishes cleaver it's almost like you dont even have armor. And yes 100 armor is really good early, but a lot better on characters intended to be tanky. Ezreal has a lot and i mean a lot less health at the same level as say a garen, zac, xin zhao. You can't just face tank garen even with iceborne on ez cuz he will still rip you up so you gotta play scared and kite like adc despite having armor is what i mean. So yes it might help you survive a bit but only very little.
Haha, right, because you can't kite a Garen as Ez with an iceborn gauntlet. You might be able to kill the garen if you two are just in lane 1v1ing, but he won't be able to kill you either.
overpoweredscrub1 votesHaha, right, because you can't kite a Garen as Ez with an iceborn gauntlet. You might be able to kill the garen if you two are just in lane 1v1ing, but he won't be able to kill you either.
Killing a garen has always been hard for me as ezreal. He is very beefy naturally, builds, beefy, deals significant damage with just q e alone. combine that with ignite and ult it's pretty scary. So anytime you get into auto attack range of a garen, just know he can easily turn around, press q and slam dunk you chunking you for about 1/3 to 1/2 of your hp. If you manage to e, he will hit you for a good chunk of damage with his 1 q while you wasted a large amount of mana just to e and now that your e is on cooldown, you gotta play extra safe. If you throw q at garen, 3 q is not gonna be a big problem for garen if you manage to land 3 of them on him as he is beefy, naturally tanky, and has high natural regen but combine that with his passive makes him regen like crazy. Pretty sure an ezreal can't just jump on garen that easily, it's more like ezreal has to be scared of garen most of the time unless the garen was really low on health for whatever reason. Either way, garen is always an annoyance to deal with.
ThisName1sDumb1 votesKilling a garen has always been hard for me as ezreal. He is very beefy naturally, builds, beefy, deals significant damage with just q e alone. combine that with ignite and ult it's pretty scary. So anytime you get into auto attack range of a garen, just know he can easily turn around, press q and slam dunk you chunking you for about 1/3 to 1/2 of your hp. If you manage to e, he will hit you for a good chunk of damage with his 1 q while you wasted a large amount of mana just to e and now that your e is on cooldown, you gotta play extra safe. If you throw q at garen, 3 q is not gonna be a big problem for garen if you manage to land 3 of them on him as he is beefy, naturally tanky, and has high natural regen but combine that with his passive makes him regen like crazy. Pretty sure an ezreal can't just jump on garen that easily, it's more like ezreal has to be scared of garen most of the time unless the garen was really low on health for whatever reason. Either way, garen is always an annoyance to deal with.
Just to clarify I had a typo in my comment, I meant to say you might not be able to kill a garen in a 1v1, not that you might be able to. And if you've got an iceborn gauntlet his q isn't gonna do anything close to 1/2 your hp
overpoweredscrub1 votesJust to clarify I had a typo in my comment, I meant to say you might not be able to kill a garen in a 1v1, not that you might be able to. And if you've got an iceborn gauntlet his q isn't gonna do anything close to 1/2 your hp
yea but what i mean is that a garen can kill you if you try to fight him, but you can't kill him even though you have 65 armor. It's kind of dumb. Against other adcs maybe it's effect who knows, but i know against a garen it's useless. It will make you a bit tanky but not that much, you will still lose half hp from auto e from garen with his q e combo.
overpoweredscrub2 votesI play ezreal a fuck ton. Armor does shit on him because his health is so small. A yi will rip you up freelo even with that frozen gauntlet.
OtterlyLost1 votesIts not the Master Yi with true damage that he causes the issues with. Its when he comes back to lane with a cheap tank/bruiser item and starts to body his fellow ADCs who can't get early armor pen. This isn't even touching on the fact that he gets tons of extra gold by being one of the best and one of the only abusers of Klepto. So he always has extra gold for items that are far less expensive than normal ADC ones.
overpoweredscrub1 votesIts not the Master Yi with true damage that he causes the issues with. Its when he comes back to lane with a cheap tank/bruiser item and starts to body his fellow ADCs who can't get early armor pen. This isn't even touching on the fact that he gets tons of extra gold by being one of the best and one of the only abusers of Klepto. So he always has extra gold for items that are far less expensive than normal ADC ones.
i get what you mean. In the situation of ez vs other adcs is what you guys are talking about. But technically, other adcs can build the same thing. And I feel like a draven rushing bloodthirster is way more powerful than ezreal rushing iceborne. Any poke ezreal does gets negated easily by bloodthirster, and bloodthirster will outdamage iceborne in an all in fight because of the 80 ad and lifesteal being better in all in compared to iceborne. The only way iceborne would win is if you happen to land a couple of q early and force an all in on the draven with blood thirster before he can heal up a good amount of the poke. point is blood thirster rush is much more powerful than iceborne gauntlet rush
OtterlyLost2 votesThe thing with Draven is he falls off like a lead balloon and he takes far more skill than Ezreal. Ezreal is more mobile, scales far better, and doesn't really fall off at all due to his ability to abuse utility based items like Iceborne and being able to build some AP, such as Hextech Gunblade or Luden's. Draven has far less effective range than Ezreal as well.
Furthermore, you don't even have to hit your enemy with Iceborne; you just have to hit a unit near them and they're instantly slowed and made easier to hit by virtue of its an AOE slow. You can't actually get in range of Ezreal as an immobile ADC and even the mobile ones can't do enough damage early on through his huge bonus in armor.
And no, no other ADC can affectively rush Iceborne Gauntlet like Ezreal can. None of them can proc it with as much efficiency and easy as Ezreal can. None benefit from the sheen proc quite as hard as Ezreal does. So no, no other ADCs can build the same thing.
His lane is uninteractive, making him frustrating to play against since that is the prime time to be punishing him; its intended to be his weakest point but it doesn't matter because his Q spam and his E make him the absolute safest ADC in the game, bar none. His midgame spike is massive and his late game is actually not that terrible either. His massive range and high scalings mean that it doesn't matter if the enemy Jinx has gotten her items; he can out put huge amounts of damage from safe range where as Jinx has to get into 700 units(which is actually shorter than most dash ranges).
I believe he is actually one of the highest average damage per game ADCs in the game. Champion.GG isn't the most reliable source, admittedly, but they do list Ezreal as fairly high up there, beaten out only by Kog'maw.
https://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.totalDamageDealtToChampions&order=descend
They continually have to nerf the champion despite his flagging WR because people find him frustrating and unenjoyable to deal with. Maybe its time for them to admit something has to give and, of the options on the table, the one least problematic for Ezreal would be the removal of his ability to proc Iceborne Gauntlet.
overpoweredscrub1 votesThe thing with Draven is he falls off like a lead balloon and he takes far more skill than Ezreal. Ezreal is more mobile, scales far better, and doesn't really fall off at all due to his ability to abuse utility based items like Iceborne and being able to build some AP, such as Hextech Gunblade or Luden's. Draven has far less effective range than Ezreal as well.
Furthermore, you don't even have to hit your enemy with Iceborne; you just have to hit a unit near them and they're instantly slowed and made easier to hit by virtue of its an AOE slow. You can't actually get in range of Ezreal as an immobile ADC and even the mobile ones can't do enough damage early on through his huge bonus in armor.
And no, no other ADC can affectively rush Iceborne Gauntlet like Ezreal can. None of them can proc it with as much efficiency and easy as Ezreal can. None benefit from the sheen proc quite as hard as Ezreal does. So no, no other ADCs can build the same thing.
His lane is uninteractive, making him frustrating to play against since that is the prime time to be punishing him; its intended to be his weakest point but it doesn't matter because his Q spam and his E make him the absolute safest ADC in the game, bar none. His midgame spike is massive and his late game is actually not that terrible either. His massive range and high scalings mean that it doesn't matter if the enemy Jinx has gotten her items; he can out put huge amounts of damage from safe range where as Jinx has to get into 700 units(which is actually shorter than most dash ranges).
I believe he is actually one of the highest average damage per game ADCs in the game. Champion.GG isn't the most reliable source, admittedly, but they do list Ezreal as fairly high up there, beaten out only by Kog'maw.
https://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.totalDamageDealtToChampions&order=descend
They continually have to nerf the champion despite his flagging WR because people find him frustrating and unenjoyable to deal with. Maybe its time for them to admit something has to give and, of the options on the table, the one least problematic for Ezreal would be the removal of his ability to proc Iceborne Gauntlet.
how does ezreal not take any skill when every single ability of his is a skillshot except his e? And I know you are definitely wrong when you say draven falls off. Are you fucking kidding me? He is an adc with strong late game. If you want to say he falls off in comparison to say jinx or kalista then maybe yes, but he is definitely not weak and does not fall off late game.
Düff McWhalen2 votesEzreal is getting nerfed hard 9.16.
overpoweredscrub1 votes[{quoted}](name=Düff McWhalen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=82ke2I0N,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-14T19:34:46.050+0000)
Ezreal is getting nerfed hard 9.16.
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NaughtyWord2 votesThis is a stupid thread. Of all the things to complain about 
you pick an item that gives just a tad bit more armor than 
that virtually all other ADCs build?
Ez has problems, but iceborn isn't among them.
ArdentStrider1 votesWhy would you rush Iceborn? Tear > Sheen > Triforce is most viable/stable build.
Mighty Mortein1 votesWhy would you rush Iceborn? Tear > Sheen > Triforce is most viable/stable build.
Tell that to the high AD/burst team you'll probably vs when playing Ezreal. Triforce wont do you a lot of good when you're dead.
Chembaron Yamada1 votesAs far as I know, most of the time Ezreal rushes Muramana first.
Lauchmelder3 votesThere's no point in rushing Manamune/ Muramana though. You're better off buying Tear asap and then let it stack while you buy your first actual item. The same goes for every Tear item, finishing the tear item before you stacked tear to 750 mana is just stupid.
Pika Fox1 votes[{quoted}](name=Shuriman God,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=82ke2I0N,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-08-15T12:45:11.640+0000)
There's no point in rushing Manamune/ Muramana though. You're better off buying Tear asap and then let it stack while you buy your first actual item. The same goes for every Tear item, finishing the tear item before you stacked tear to 750 mana is just stupid.
False. If youre going AA you get it immediately. 20% CDR is too important.
Durzaka1 votesManamune is by far his most rushed item.
It also stacks on AA and it also stacks mana faster, the sooner you get it the better.
Pika Fox1 votesFirst, he rushes tear, not gauntlet.
Second ezreal doesnt even do damage until 2 full items + stacked tear for muramana.
If ezreal goes blue build, he already paid a damage cost.
Rengar Top Lane1 votesIt is definitely about time that iceborn gauntlet receives the Sterak treatment and becomes melee only. Should have been happened.
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Its time to remove
I mean his damage is not amazing if he rushes it. Not sure I see the problem. I'll agree that hes boring in lane.
overpoweredscrub1 votesHow is ezreal slippery just because he has 1 dash? Look at fucking talon. The guy could out dash anyone in summoner's rift since he has access to so many terrain. No one thinks talon's e is op. Zed has basically 2 dashes, 1 being his w and r. Don't even get me started on pyke's mobility. Look at leblanc, crazy ass mobility and burst. Ezreal has 1 e that is a really long cooldown, how is he slippery? That's like saying lucian and graves are slippery cuz they got 1 dash. Also... Lucian can also build gauntlet so he would be in the same situation as ezreal according to you. Having a dash and iceborn gauntlet slows, also since his w gives him movespeed makes him actually more slippery than ezreal.
RadeticDraws1 votesWell at least it doesn't do 14% hp true damage 
Wayward Fish1 votesLiterally just nerfed this champion's mobility. Next.
Way0fTheWanderer1 votesWOOOOOHHH dude you saying champions should not be able to be tanky and still one shot you at same time??? wooohhh slow down there what are you gona say next? Buff jungle xp so jungle is not just gank infested swamp of a role where you get more xp walking down mid than clearing one jungle camp while ur 69 cs and same lvl as enemy 38 cs that just leeched xp from hes laners?
Cloud2731 votesConsidering OP's name, I find it hilarious he's complaining about someone being "extremely safe" and "slippery".
Ripper1122331 votesEveryone wants to talk about how removing on-hits would ruin ezreal. Just let his Q crit for a reduced amount. 
still procs on single target spells. (Kaisa W procs it, which is a similar ability)
