The Elephant in the Room/Jungle

Lugg·Oct 9, 2015·1 votes·308 views

I know this will post will get flamed and downvoted, but it has to be said.

**Lee Sin is the most OP jungler in the game now. **

It was bad enough when you had to face the occasional Lee player who was good. But with his latest buff, even semi-decent Lee players are now hard carrying games. I honestly haven't seen a Lee Sin lose a single game since his last buff. He has no appreciable weakness at all. Great damage, check. Great defense, check. Great sustain, check. Great mobility, check. Great utility. check. Early pressure, check. Great mid game, check. Still relevant late game, check.

For the love of God Riot, actually balance this champion.

12 Comments

RalanrOct 9, 20152 votes

Lee is annoying, I'll agree with that.

Freakishly waving his arms all over the place.

LuggOct 9, 20151 votes

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Freakishly waving his arms all over the place.

Upvoted for this alone. ROFL

360D3GR3SSOct 9, 20151 votes

Tell that to any sated jungler who can literally build 2 items and go full tank and hit like a truck. (looking at you Yi and Jax)

LuggOct 9, 20151 votes

Lee just goes in their jungle and kills them non stop early so they cant get sated.

360D3GR3SSOct 9, 20151 votes

It's that simple! Its not like there is a massive amount of counterplay to invades.

LuggOct 9, 20151 votes

For Lee, it really is that simple. Thanks to ward hopping, you will never catch him to punish him for invades.

Lost In TimeOct 9, 20151 votes

even semi-decent Lee players are now hard carrying games

either low elo or pull shit from your ass, because this statement is false.

Mecha MaIphiteOct 9, 20151 votes

I have never had trouble against any Lee who was under plat. I don't know what you mean by saying you don't have to be that good to hard carry with him.

LuggOct 9, 20151 votes

In low elo, you don't have to be that good with him for sure. In higher ELO, Lee Sin mains are pretty damn scary.

IcyPepperOct 9, 20151 votes

You should probably back up your claims with some sources :V

Give us some statistics and such beyond just winrates.

LuggOct 9, 20151 votes

You can never go with win rates on Lee Sin. He is a champion that you HAVE to put in a LOT of games to get good with him. However, once you get him down, he is an absolute wrecking ball.

What I'm going off of is watching him in games both high and low elo. He is very dominate in every game I've seen right now.

IcyPepperOct 9, 20151 votes

Alright, so what do you suggest?

He has a lot of potential, and a decently high enough skillfloor to justify it. If you want him nerfed, you'll probably have to lower his skill floor to justify taking away higher tier power.

Better scaling and lower base damage? Change how his W works? Come on, let's hear it. It's obvious Riot has struggled to change him (I'm not QQing, I believe they legit tried to change him but the rework was awful), so what do you think could work? You don't have to be a pro at balance, just suggest an angle that hasn't been thought about or overlooked.