@Ghostcrawler: Zed does NOT need buffs

LegitBacon66··10 votes·1,696 views

I appreciate your concern and paying attention to Zed, but he needs NO change. No. Change. Lethality needs to change (which you are changing). Zed is still zed. He is high skill cap and the post rework put him in a great spot. Makes you focus on the ADC. I still perform VERY well with Zed, I have about a 65% winrate with him in ranked and mastery 7. He is still a solid champion.

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bbQsauçe4 votes

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Zero Skill Tank2 votes

It also limits zed's potential and forces him to focus AD targets just because you can steal their AD.

Shifting him away from "bully enemy mage into nonexistance" playstyle, and make him less generalist was exactly the point of this change.

bbQsauçe1 votes

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Zero Skill Tank3 votes

Making picks more specialized increases diversity in any way imaginable.

And versatility, understood as champions who are good for any occasion, is not a design value.

bbQsauçe1 votes

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Zero Skill Tank2 votes

Mages are heavily specialized. There was never a situation when one mage overshadowed whole class, because they have heavily diverse kits. Meanwhile Zed, whenever he is strong, is the only assassin worth taking mid, like it was back in season 6 and in season 3, excluding rare situations when you just can't afford AD mid and LB is better.

Hating on mages is completely irrelevant here - Zed was made more specialized for the sake of other midlane assassins.

Handin Out Naps1 votes

That was the past when most of the assassins couldn't even survive in lane vs a mage. And even then Lb was always the better pick. Times have changed and now Zed isn't the only assassin that can win lane.

Big Lincoln1 votes

ok

can we make these guys Orianna Veigar Ahri less generalist too?

being a single target assassin is bad but AoE "utility mage" nuking is a-ok?

Zero Skill Tank1 votes

There are crapton of reasons to pick other mages over those you pointed out.

But if Zed is strong, he overshadows all other assassins, and the only reason not to pick him as assassin player is because you are not mid.

That's the difference there.

Big Lincoln1 votes

no he doesn't, especially not now

Katarina Leblanc Rengar Khazix all do shit zed doesn't and they've been meta at the same time

XxxLumberJackxxX1 votes

Was Ahri I a misclick

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Ahri doesn't AOE nuke though.

Veigar is better at making nope zones and nuking one person.

Ori has a teamwide nuke that can be carried in.

They are quite distinct.

Mafia LeBlanc3 votes

I think Zed at his core is a much healthier champion than, say, Yasuo, Kat, or LeBlanc.

His problem is when his shurikens waveclear with zero risk and allow him to farm, resourceless, at a range because of shadows.

However, his kill combo is easy to counter (hourglass completely negates it, Janna completely negates it, CC him after he lands and he explodes, etc) and he will only really kill you if you're out of position.

That being said, he's terrible right now in every way. He's a free lose if anyone is stupid enough to pick him. I think he needs help, but his wave clear should never, ever be buffed.

LegitBacon661 votes

Im still winning with him

OctoberIV2 votes

Because you're silver. You're literally playing against some of the most unskilled players ever.

Handin Out Naps3 votes

Picking Zed currently is a joke. Like I appreciate that you can get a 65% wr with Zed in silver, but that doesn't prove anything. He isn't worth picking vs decent players.

MissMikasa1 votes

{quoted}

He is still a solid champion.

"He is still a broken as fuck champion."

There, I fixed it for you. He is not a good champion, he's completely awful and I wish he was never made in the first place.

BastionKross1 votes

OP.gg says that Zed is sitting on a 50% winrate and 6% pick rate. Those are fair numbers for a high skillcap champ like Zed. Not quite sure why he needs buffed, unless Riot is trying to change him back into the monster he was in season 6.

I'm okay if that happens, since ten bans are coming soon. I would expect Zed mains to want to keep their champ at this level of power though, to avoid their main becoming near permaban status. Especially after next patch, when CoC gets nerfed and Poppy falls off the ban list (more than she has already).

Calabok1 votes

nerf Zed

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