You're removing 52 armor and Magic resist off a champion, and expecting that to not completely destroy him?
At this point can you just revert his rework as well? He's been getting nerfed in to the ground since he came out, there's clearly an issue here.
Primaquarius4 votesIts 52 armor and MR, thats 2k worth of stats taken off of an AD carry champion which shouldnt have been that high to begin with
Oleandervine4 votesAn ADC who deals his kind of damage should never be allowed to be tanky as hell. His armor buffs should have never been that high to begin with.
EmollientNut01 votesSo we're in agreement that the design was terrible and he should just be reworked or reverted. Good to know!
[slayer-jinx-catface]
Kledy McKledFace2 votesim fine with that riot is removing cancer kits its okay
they realise today those were very bad decisions and theyre reverting them
good dog
EmollientNut01 votesEven playing Graves in the bot lane now is considered trolling. How the fuck did we get to THAT point?
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votescuz people are slaves to the meta. and only will do what someone else does. you do anything outside that youre a troll.
its a game... its meant to be fun... try something and have fun.
Lovelle1 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7g5EsvkL,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-21T22:44:00.814+0000)
cuz people are slaves to the meta. and only will do what someone else does. you do anything outside that youre a troll.
its a game... its meant to be fun... try something and have fun.
Blame the lack of game modes for trying different things out. Rotating queue is not enough. We need more non- farming game modes, where people can play whoever they want and experiment.
Astôlfo1 votesHe's not even a good ADC in the first place anyways, with his incredibly short range AAs, non-penetrating AAs, and a 2-shot system.
EmollientNut01 votesI mean, that was my exact argument that he's not good at it. lol
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesso where is the rework of 
?
Marshbouy1 votesWell riot is trying to make it so -champions who build tank deal decreased damage but are tankier -champions who build damage dealing increased damage but a less tanky
Graves violated those by being able to be very tanky while still being able to build almost pure AD.
It's hardly nerfing him into the ground too, very rarely did a fight last long enough to ever get up to the 4 stacks so it's more like 20-30 armor and MR.
Verxint1 votesIt's almost like they should have nerfed this FIRST before they nerfed everything else
I don't understand why they gave a ranged champion a better defensive steroid than any melee carry or bruiser
specter4241 votesBecause getting 4k worth of tank stats for free on an adc is good design
Big Lincoln1 votesthat's the entire point lmao
graves should have never had 120 armor/MR to start with
Astôlfo1 votesHe shouldn't have had that in the first place. Deal with it.
Critmaster Garen1 votesthe fact that he already had 52 armor/mr to take away in the first place is disgusting.
hes a mobile ranged bruiser with a better defense steroid than most tanks right now. his kit is busted. that e nerf was long overdue, and if you ask me the amount of resistances he gets from it after the nerf is still excessive.
most melee fighters dont get more than 40 armor/mr tops from their defense steroids. and thats already 
who loses that bonus when he ults.
graves will still get up to 80 armor/mr on a damage/mobility tool, which is ridiculous.
TyrekGoldenspear1 votesLoosing 52 armor and magic resist doesn't matter too much if he can blow up your face without taking much retaliation tbh.