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How the hell is riven balanced?

mtAkFzLsUS··8 votes·3,015 views

Being like 70% of league players main this character(because theyre soo good with her) i'm going to get a lot of 'get guds'

If a level 18 riven activates her ult, and she uses windslash on you when youre at half health, and autos after every move (which is not hard whatever because of her crazy cc) her AD scalings are at 876% bonus AD. Are you serious? Not even to mention her shield which would being it up pretty much to 1000% bonus AD. Which is easily the highest in the game.

Not only are her scalings absolutely absurd, she is also easily among the most mobile champions in the game.

She is not a 'feast or famine' champ, whatsoever. Compared to actual feast or famine champs, Riven is completely fine. Her kit is completely toxic. An aoe stun that has 100% AD scaling? Like what the hell? A dash with a 100% AD shield? Then 3 abilities on 1 button that scale to 180% AD, with the last being a knockup? A Passive that has 50% bonus AD after every single spell cast she does, in which she has more than someone who has 2 forms? And just for icing, one of the strongest steroid ultimates that also happens to be an aoe execute?

I see this champion every single game now, and whether or not she is on my team I hate seeing them.

No, I can't just 'get good' to be on par with this champion. Why does everyone main her? Because shes fun. Why is she so fun? Because her kit is overloaded as hell.

The easiest way to fix her, with no editing her numbers, is give her some damn mana. Thats right. The actual GOOD riven players can still shine, which is what riot is allll about!

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SaltyToplaneGoat6 votes

1.) Get CC on her... she's like fiora in that regard, really... If you play a champ without cc or an short escape move, your fault, you try to play against her strenghts then.

2.) While a fed riven in mid/lategame is a problem, she needs kills to get there. In lane, play smart and go shopping right before she hits six - or, if you both stay in lane, she will just have the pure stat advantage with her ult.

3.) Armor. She just deals normal damage and itemizing against that shouldn't be hard to do.

4.) HP. Ult deals only a max gmg, even when scaling with missing health. To keep it simple: buy a sunfire. There's an adc on the enemy team anyways... so the item will be worth it.

5.) Know her range and movement patterns. Yepp. Simple as that. MOST PEOPLE ARE JUST TOO PLAIN STUPID. It's not that hard. Really.

Lord Dusteon4 votes

Reminder, ranged adcs with crit do 375% total AD a second if they have IE and 1.5 AS. And you're complaining one champion, a melee champion with literally the worst health regen who falls off the face of the earth if she isn't fed, does ranged AD damage IN BONUS AD from melee range if she stays in there and perfectly combos all her abilities.

Otherwise, have you tried not feeding her and building some armor? Literally her entire kit is countered by armor, so if you don't build it she is going to hurt.

mtAkFzLsUS2 votes

Oh sorry about your health regen, next time i'm in lane and i'm going to use my health regen as an actual source of sustain ill make sure not to play riven.

Nobody waits around for their health regen to heal them except for champs like garen and mundo, this argument is so dumb. Not to mention riven has her super low-cd 100% bonus AD shield to nullify the damage, instead of taking a hit. She also builds lifesteal in her kit.

Armor counters most AD bruisers. Amazing right? Riven isn't a special case who is nullified by armor. But she does far better than other solid ad champs because her scaling is 3x more than theirs. Does that mean those other champs, are super extremely underpowered compared to ADCs, since riven is outclassed?

Lord Dusteon2 votes

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Oh sorry about your health regen, next time i'm in lane and i'm going to use my health regen as an actual source of sustain ill make sure not to play riven.

Nobody waits around for their health regen to heal them except for champs like garen and mundo, this argument is so dumb. Not to mention riven has her super low-cd 100% bonus AD shield to nullify the damage, instead of taking a hit. She also builds lifesteal in her kit.

Armor counters most AD bruisers. Amazing right? Riven isn't a special case who is nullified by armor. But she does far better than other solid ad champs because her scaling is 3x more than theirs. Does that mean those other champs, are super extremely underpowered compared to ADCs, since riven is outclassed?

Seeing as literally any damage you do sticks to her, yes (unless you were one of those people who panics and instantly throws everything at her shield. You did bait out the short ass duration shield or at least wait half a second to use your combo, right?). If you think 'wow, Riven restores 1 health every second instead of me, since I restore 3+ my damage stays' instead of "OMG SHE HAS A SHIELD TRY TO BURST THE SHIELD DONT WAIT BURST IT NOW IM SURE NOTHING BAD COMES FROM WASTING ALL MY DAMAGE ON A SHIELD". Even when she gets lifesteal, she still has to either have total dominance of the lane (in which case you already fed her, and as a feast/famine snowball champion she is going to take advantage of that) or that regen is going to be meh.

Most bruisers also do at least SOME mixed damage; Jax and Irelia come to mind, but even on the tankier spectrum with Sion or Malphite it counts. Since Riven HAS to build AD (if she builds tank, she's already lost. If she builds anything except more damage and something to let her use more damage she's probably heavily behind), you can build any armor and counter all of her damage.

Otherwise, I'm not sure you realize yet, but Riven is basically a fighter/assassin. She has good mobility and great damage, but has to get in your face and stick to you to do anything. Either peel her, or build some defence and tank her, or do SOMETHING other than complain what is almost a melee adc is doing lots of damage.

BluePolarizer3 votes

Riven is great at snowballing while ahead, but isn't that good when behind due to having no utility.

Base regen is actually very important because having higher base regen is the equivalent of starting with an extra potion or two in the first 5 minutes. This means that Riven can be poked down very easily with ranged champs (even Pantheon and Gnar) that use the Dominate From Level 1 strategy if she doesn't go cloth 5. It is significantly harder to beat Riven with typical melee bruisers, but in general, Malphite is very safe against her in lane, can burst her at lvl. 6 with ignite and is superior in teamfights. Garen and Darius beat her at lvl. 1 and beyond. Riven is strongest against squishy melees with no ranged poke, escapes or blocks like Fiora.

2000boxes2 votes

i hate riven to but hear me out this is a full proof argument that every riven main ever uses this is also the only argument they have to back up the champ "Riven's skillcap is the highest in game, and do you know how hard it is to auto between ability casts?" when this argument came to me riven was free. I picked her and then i won lane and carried and it was a hard carry. I'm bronze V, so if i can first time a champ and hard carry with them at the same time there must be something wrong.

mtAkFzLsUS1 votes

also her health regen is low, making her vry bad early game!11!!

Pucking Purrfect2 votes

Yes just because some Riven player kicked your ass lets nerf Riven. Stop crying and learn how to counter. LMFAO

KaileeNox2 votes

careful discussing this... League forums are filled with Riven mains and they cry and whine and get angry/verbal when you bring up nerfing Riven...

I however agree completely on this subject. Scaling is way to high for "Cd" cost only, no mana, no energy... just e w q AA q AA q AA e w q AA q AA q AA e w q AA q AA q AA e w q AA q AA q AA e w q AA q AA q AA e w q AA q AA q AA e w q AA q AA q AA the game away

FooDang1 votes

Do you even Riven? #getguds

Unker1391 votes

Um....you do realize this is from 3 years ago and might not still apply in today's meta.

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