New Evelynn has a charm

Jinzo Torrance·Sep 23, 2017·7 votes·1,190 views

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21 Comments

Chembaron YamadaSep 23, 20177 votes

What's wrong with that? It fits her perfectly, don't you think?

RengoooSep 24, 20174 votes

Mmm, fits her theme very well.

A charm on an assassin still sounds terrifying though, I love it.

StaconaSep 27, 20171 votes

Ahri has a charm is a mage-assassin, granted she is more ranged mage than assassin, but still. Rakan is essentially a support-assassin and he gets a charm.

Sire HippingtonSep 24, 20172 votes

Thematically, yes. But charm is about the most powerfull cc effect we have(stun+displacement towards you/you're team), throwing that on an assasin that also has stealth mechanics might not be a great idea. I for one remember the S1 days when she had a stun, and hard cc out of stealth is **very **frustraiting to play against.

Chembaron YamadaSep 24, 20171 votes

I think that they have considered this while designing her and that it has some sort of counterplay.

For example she is marking you and then has to land x amount of auto attacks against you or something. It surely won't be an immediate charme out of stealth. There will be some kind of delay and counterplay.

Sire HippingtonSep 24, 20171 votes

Not sure if i can share that optimism Anyway, if it's a delayed mechanic that can't be used as opener, it then fails thematically again. The idea is that she lures you in with her sweet innocent appearance and then goes all murder mode on you. It would make little sense that she first goes all savage and then you get charmed by that...

Chembaron YamadaSep 27, 20171 votes

Reveal page is up and you can be relieved. Her charm does have counterplay and a delay built in. ^^ No instant charm out of stealth for her.

StaconaSep 27, 20171 votes

its on a 2.5 seconds delay and cannot damage you until the charm ticks in, otherwise it is only a slow.

Darkdemon653Sep 23, 20173 votes

I'm not seeing the issue.

Asayake 5150glowSep 24, 20173 votes

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I'm not seeing the issue.

Assassin with hard cc is usually an issue.

Darkdemon653Sep 24, 20172 votes

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Assassin with hard cc is usually an issue.

She used to have a stun and she was shit then, too.

Anything can be be underpowered, overpowered, or balanced; numbers matter.

Sire HippingtonSep 24, 20173 votes

Nope, she used to be terror back with the stun. Her shit days came when the stun was replaced by a slow.

And whie one can be 'balanced' by numbers, beeing balanced by numbers does not neccesarily mean healthy gameplay, and her stun from stealth certainly wasn't healthy gameplay.

Nut on my ButtSep 27, 20172 votes

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Nope, she used to be terror back with the stun. Her shit days came when the stun was replaced by a slow.

And whie one can be 'balanced' by numbers, beeing balanced by numbers does not neccesarily mean healthy gameplay, and her stun from stealth certainly wasn't healthy gameplay.

The charm has a delay and reveals her location to the target, so I think it will end up being much more fair to play against than current Eve, especially considering she has no stealth till 6.

Chembaron YamadaSep 25, 20172 votes

That is not true and Azir/Kalista are the proof for that. If a kit unites the upsides of almost every class, you won't get that in a balanced state.

Look at Azir. His kit is simply not balancable since he has absolutely everything you could ask for. Range of an artillery mage. Damage of a dps mage. Mobility of a long range diver. Zoning of a control mage. Initiation potential of a vanguard.

There is no meaningful way to punish Azir.

Darkdemon653Sep 25, 20171 votes

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That is not true and Azir/Kalista are the proof for that. If a kit unites the upsides of almost every class, you won't get that in a balanced state.

Look at Azir. His kit is simply not balancable since he has absolutely everything you could ask for. Range of an artillery mage. Damage of a dps mage. Mobility of a long range diver. Zoning of a control mage. Initiation potential of a vanguard.

There is no meaningful way to punish Azir.

Range can be nerfed with numbers changes Damage can be nerfed with numbers changes Mobility can ne nerfed with numbers changes Zoning can be nerfed with numbers changes Initiation can be nerfed with numbers changes

Chembaron YamadaSep 25, 20172 votes

By nerfing his range (like they are currently doing with Azir), you are taking away a feature of his kit. In my book, reducing the range from artillery level to battlemage level is not "just a number change". It is completely changing his playstyle.

Otherwise, the same argument can be made for the assassin with CC case. Sure, he can be balanced. We just have to change the number of the cc duration to 0 seconds. Just a number change, isn't it?

Darkdemon653Sep 25, 20171 votes

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the same argument can be made for the assassin with CC case. Sure, he can be balanced. We just have to change the number of the cc duration to 0 seconds.

Indeed, though it doesn't necessarily have to be 0. It could be .5 or something else as needed.