Is Max % Health True Damage OK? (Not a Vayne Hate Thread)

Legacy Hydralpha··3 votes·1,063 views

Before I start, let me just repeat what was in the title.

THIS. IS. NOT. A. VAYNE. HATE. THREAD.

I hate Vayne as much as you guys, and want to see her nerfed, but this post isn't about that. It's about the mechanic that is max % health true damage. My honest opinion is that max % health true damage is the unhealthiest damage mechanic in the game. The idea is that if the enemy deals physical damage, you get armor. They deal magic damage? Get magic resist. Are they dealing physical, magical, and/or true damage? Get health! But what do you build when the enemy has max % health true damage? There's attack speed slowing items like Frozen Heart and Randuin's Omen, but guess what; their stats won't help against it.

Who/what has max % health true damage? VayneVayne (Everyone's favourite champion) FioraFiora item 3107Redemption (Hey, it's still preseason with no new patches, stuff's gonna be busted)

Let's say max % health true damage really is bullshit, what do we do? What do we fix? Rito plz don't gut Vayne she's my fav champ! (SARCASM) Best option is to replace the max % health true damage with someone else that does the same job!

Vayne She's a tank shredded, or at least she's meant to be. Perhaps she can receive normal true damage and gain attack speed when she gets the true damage off, sort of like Vi's W, except with true damage instead of armor shred. Fiora The idea behind Fiora's passive is that she's hitting an enemy's vitals through their armor. So either just true damage, bonus armor pen (lethality or % armor pen), or max % health PHYSICAL damage. item 3107 Since it's a support item, having the damage scale with level won't work cause of how supports are always lower in experience. Perhaps a lethality-like mechanic where the true damage scales off the enemy's level?

I just needed to get this idea off of my chest and see what you guys thought about it, leave some ideas and opinions if you want to. Nothing hateful please!

19 Comments

Oglaf3 votes

No, and it never was IMO.

Not at Vayne's release, and not now.

Nobody should do %-based True Damage on auto-attacks, especially on a "class" prone to build AS. Not noway, not nohow.

Quepha1 votes

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No, and it never was IMO.

Not at Vayne's release, and not now.

Nobody should do %-based True Damage on auto-attacks, especially on a "class" prone to build AS. Not noway, not nohow.

You're ignoring the premise of the question and talking about a specific instance of the damage type on a specific champion who builds around it in a specific way.

GastonBarnacles3 votes

It's not ok. They both need it removed.

Emerald Fang2 votes

Don't take away Fiora's true damage b/c she's kind of useless without it, kind of just a melee ADC.

Christian Fright1 votes

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Quepha1 votes

Yes.

Best Kog NA1 votes

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Oglaf4 votes

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KogMaw has %max health damage Are you saying we should nerf him even more now?

Not true damage. A lot of Champions do %Max Health magic damage and it's fine.

Best Kog NA1 votes

Oh my bad, I read the title wrong

Oglaf1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Best Kog NA,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7QX4jqps,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2016-11-16T23:09:49.393+0000)

Oh my bad, I read the title wrong

No problem.

I can't help but wonder what Vayne would lose exactly if they changed it from True damage to Magic or Physical.

Would she be ruined? Gutted? I doubt it.

LordGeovanni1 votes

physical please dont even mention mixed damage vayne. and the over all % needs to go down too. same with firoa or they need to dumpster the base damage on her q make it a basic attack with a dash and no extra damage as a means to proc her passive since they give it even mroe cdr ust for hitting it

Oglaf1 votes

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physical please dont even mention maixed damage vayne

Hey now, if they were to remove her True damage, she deserves Magic on it instead. Changing her to an all-physical Champion would be too cruel.

Oglaf1 votes

The only one who does True Damage right is Olaf

  1. Flat value.

  2. Melee ability...ish.

  3. Has a downside to the ability, self-damage.

Emerald Fang1 votes

The self damage is literally zero at later levels. It has no effect at all.

Quepha1 votes

%health true damage fights against one of the biggest problems in the game: snowballing.

Damage that is always relevant but never overpowered. It doesn't matter if you're 10 levels and 8000 gold behind, tied up, or that degree in the lead, 10% health true damage will hurt but won't kill you before you can react.

Oglaf1 votes

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%health true damage fights against one of the biggest problems in the game: snowballing.

Oh please. Tanks snowballing is hardly a problem in comparison to other "classes" snowballing.

There's no justifying Vayne's bullshit anymore, to be completely frank.

Quepha1 votes

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Oh please. Tanks snowballing is hardly a problem in comparison to other "classes" snowballing.

There's no justifying Vayne's bullshit anymore, to be completely frank.

What are you talking about? Vayne isn't a tank, and you seem to be ignoring the OP who asked about %hp true damage as a general mechanic, not as it exists on specific champions.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

If we made Fiora's passive damage true damage, %physical damage, or have extra armor pen, then we would have to add a hell of a lot more damage to it for it to be relevant against tanks. Which would break it against squishies.

You see, Fiora's most popular build has very high damage and low tank stats. She's also THE duelist of the game. If she doesn't have true damage, she simply won't do enough damage to take out tanks due to not having attack speed as most tank shredders do. Riven offsets this by having great scalings and low cooldowns (assuming high cdr) as well as execute damage to finish off the kill. Fiora, on the other hand, would have low-medium true damage/extra pen, good chasedown, but no lock down or actual kill potential. She wouldn't do enough damage to kill a tank before they get to their tower if she gets a good riposte.

Also it makes her damage reliable, which it should be. A low range, bad engage, bad disengage, no utility champion should at least be able to fight anyone who does get into range.

Oglaf1 votes

Vayne "breaks" _everyone _ so...

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