Well we've gone full circle

Like... since when have assassins been supposed to target champions with lots of armor? Since when have marksmen not?

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Lethality scales off your level now. Which means that (in the) early game adc don't benefit as much as they used too. And Jhin needed a boost, he's been quite weak lately. Lucian...needs a rework so he stops abusing every damage item ever.

Jhin did not need a boost. People keep saying that but he has been sitting at a 50% win rate for a while now with a large player base. Even before his buffs he was sitting at a 48% win rate, not nearly as low as people made it out to be.

It was an item made for Assassins only which made them decent again, it shouldnt be abused by ranged champions, they literally said they wanted assassins to stop rushing BC as their main assassin item so they made duskblade, the unseen passive idea, synergies's not only with being in a bush but with the stealth of of almost all assassin's, kha, talon, zed (not stealth but his ult not being seen), rengar, and shaco.

Lethality was also literally designed for assassin's too, changes this patch have confirmed it even they made it scale with YOUR lvl adc's are behind in lvl so going full lethality isnt even beneficial to them they just abuse duskblade because they see its power, but like BC, and just like steraks and plz dont tell me steraks was made for adc's, they changed it because they didnt want them using it.

You cant tell me that letting Ranged champions who remove the high reward high risk aspect of assassin, and abuse the item is fair. I see a huge difference between wukong using and lucian using it because in the end of the day when wu goes in he has a risk of getting cc'd, and killed, lucian has a ranged advatange which gives him high reward no risk. That shouldnt be.

Not to detract from your overall point but is melee?

oh, you mean an almost strictly melee class subset of champions were struggling and instead of catering specifically to that class, (maybe by making their intended use items stronger in their hands) their items were buffed wholesale and are now being abused by OTHER classes that can use them?

Are you talking about THOSE changes by Riots balance team? Where we have seen several times over the past year melee getting experimental preferential treatment on the PBE only to have those changes reverted and ranged being the only classes to EVER be seen abusing that item?

Just to be clear we are talking about the balance team that continuously intends to balance AD melee champs only to break the ranged ones right?

Eh, she's the only adc that actually should buy lethality. She plays way more like an assassin than a typical carry.

I wonder how silly this argument would seem if tiamat and runaan's didn't have that lol

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If it was that easy, do you really think we would still be having this problem? Last time I checked, you weren't on the balance team and don't know any of its inner workings. You have no right to call them out if you don't even understand how it works.

♪ On the outsiiiiide looking in its easy to see all the little things around the problem, but only those on the iiiiiinside looking out can see what really needs to chaaaaange ♪

The people actually playing the game often do know whats better balance wise. And riot has - through many bad decisions - proven they have a "yes" mentality - that is their group has worked together for long enough that even bad ideas like "making AP and AD have only a 200 unit difference at full build" sound like fantastic ideas.

The sarcasm is pouring out of my screen.

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The reason why the buffed lethality is to make assassins better against ADCs.

Should have just thrown ADCs into the trash bin labeled "design failures" along with old Poppy if you ask me.

Aye, an entire class designed specifically to counteract ADCs scales in power depending on the state of ADCs creating a fcked up cyclic loop with no end in sight. If ADCs just get removed, this game would actually be 100% balanced. Riot is the biggest critic of a feast/famine game pattern, yet what are ADCs? Either they get oneshot or they kill everything? And the belief that an assassin vs adc matchup is supposed to even be remotely fair unless the adc is items ahead or their team bands together to cc said assassin. An assassin role to counter mages sounds perfectly reasonable, with both parties having plenty of opportunity to outplay each other, the assassins with their mobility and the mages with their cc and burst. Making an Assassin counter a class whose only meaningful defense is to blow summoners, or run in the opposite direction, or pray to god their support can mash every button on the keyboard fast enough is pretty stupid.(Unless they are like 8 kills ahead of the enemy bot lane or smth)