Riven has a ludicrously unfair advantage against pretty much every melee in the game

Tychusfindlay918·Apr 6, 2019·28 votes·5,640 views

Her instant stun allows her to guarantee stopping you before you could ever hope to finish 1/4 of your auto animation, and she follows it up with an auto E away. God forbid you play a fucking bruiser like darius or garen with a relatively slow auto animation and you're just insta fucked for what feels like a bullshit reason.

Legit almost nothing you can do outside of her fucking up.

Amazing.

I also find it hilarious that a riven with DD rav conq can literally outheal and stay topped off against a 430 AD garen solo target spin. What a fucking joke, granted conq is the main issue there.

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TobykachuApr 6, 201914 votes

A good Riven has literally no counters top lane. Tanks get shredded because of conqueror. Bruisers can only fight her when she decides she wants to fight them thanks to having so many dashes and an AoE instant stun and even ranged top laners have a hard time keeping their distance against her with all her manaless dashes. I was playing Ornn against a Riven on a full AD team and despite having the advantage very early on, by level 6+ I was unable to even wave clear against her. I had an Iceborn Gauntlet and Sunfire Cape (both upgraded with Ornn passive) and Ninja Tabi's and she was still cleaving through me like I was a level 1 Sona, just because of how easily she can stack conqueror.

YUUKI VKApr 6, 20197 votes

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A good Riven has literally no counters top lane. Tanks get shredded because of conqueror. Bruisers can only fight her when she decides she wants to fight them thanks to having so many dashes and an AoE instant stun and even ranged top laners have a hard time keeping their distance against her with all her manaless dashes. I was playing Ornn against a Riven on a full AD team and despite having the advantage very early on, by level 6+ I was unable to even wave clear against her. I had an Iceborn Gauntlet and Sunfire Cape (both upgraded with Ornn passive) and Ninja Tabi's and she was still cleaving through me like I was a level 1 Sona, just because of how easily she can stack conqueror.

that rune is horrid, i hate taking it, though rather than nerfing the champs that made the rune total BS riot nerfed the rune so the champs that make it total cancer are still total cancer, odd how that works......

TobykachuApr 6, 20194 votes

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that rune is horrid, i hate taking it, though rather than nerfing the champs that made the rune total BS riot nerfed the rune so the champs that make it total cancer are still total cancer, odd how that works......

Exactly, the current conqueror wasn't really ever THAT strong for most champions, however some champions completely broke it and yet Riot opted for nerfing Conqueror instead of the champions.

D357R0Y3RApr 6, 20194 votes

Bruisers can only fight her when she decides she wants to fight them thanks to having so many dashes and an AoE instant stun

Lul, if you think that this will stop hecarim think again

even ranged top laners have a hard time keeping their distance against her with all her manaless dashes.

there is literally no way Kennen loses to riven In high elo Kennen has like 90% win rate against riven

champion moves so fast and gain armor+mr with E, you just have to max that spell and gain attack speed and if she dives you you ult and oneshot her with protobelt lul

GayFluffyUnicornApr 6, 20193 votes

wow one broken problematic champion is able to beat another.

Can't see anything wrong with it hehexd.

If your only answer to riven is a disgustingly r worded piece of shit of a champion (kennen) then maybe something is wrong with her.

D357R0Y3RApr 6, 20192 votes

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wow one broken problematic champion is able to beat another.

Can't see anything wrong with it hehexd.

If your only answer to riven is a disgustingly r worded piece of shit of a champion (kennen) then maybe something is wrong with her.

so next time he shouldn't say "has no counterpick", he just went on about how riven beats all bruisers AND ranged champions without any exceptions

how do you think I would react, seeing something so bullshit when Riven legit can't do anything against Kennen, ANYTHING

I'm not saying Riven is balanced, but don't go on saying that she has no counterpick.

There is not a single champion in this game that doesn't have a counterpick

kingDeDeDariusApr 6, 20191 votes

Kennen may be a counter to her, but I wouldn't say he's broken by any means. If anything, he's really not that bad, and I say that as a Darius main. Then again I've never made it past gold 1

Death by GlamourApr 6, 20194 votes

there is literally no way Kennen loses to riven In high elo Kennen has like 90% win rate against riven

Knnen has a 50.5% winrate in plat + and diamond + and has a 49.5% winrate in masters globally against riven.

that's not a hardcounter by any definition

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/master/plus/champion/Riven/

hehas a fairly free lane into most melee bruisers and tanks so its a fairly moot point.

D357R0Y3RApr 6, 20191 votes

that's because the patch has been out for not so long, master tier+ games have a low sample

if you go to patch 9.6 (both kennen and riven weren't hit by any nerfs) kennen had 52.5% win rate against riven

https://i.gyazo.com/3332be0537e686ac195d132477b53c97.png

this is a competitive game where Riven got picked, as you can see they banned kennen because riven against kennen is just asking to lose.

voltaicspearApr 6, 20191 votes

I would not use lolalytics to compare stats. Use https://u.gg/lol/champions/riven/build/?rank=diamond_plus even riot confirmed that its closest to their stats. In master+ riven has 39% winrate vs kennen which is a lot.

Death by GlamourApr 6, 20193 votes

even riot confirmed

source?

voltaicspearApr 7, 20191 votes

I dont have a source right now but keep in mind lolalytics does not let you sort stats based on ranking. But u.gg does. Lolalytics is based on plat+.

Death by GlamourApr 7, 20191 votes

I dont have a source

thought as much

but keep in mind lolalytics does not let you sort stats based on ranking

yes it does

voltaicspearApr 7, 20191 votes

Alright but the stats dont change much in terms of master+ riven vs kennen match up. Lolalytics shows that riven has 43% winrate against kennen master+. 47% for diamond+ on lolayltics. While u.gg has riven at 46% in diamond+ vs kennen.

TobykachuApr 6, 20192 votes

As I said in my previous statement, Riven has enough CC + Mobility to decide when she wants to fight. Not to mention how she generally has the damage to be able to fight him after an item or two pretty easily.

kingDeDeDariusApr 6, 20192 votes

Hecarim auto loses to riven wtf are you smoking. Sure he'll engage against her. Then be totally destroyed

YUUKI VKApr 6, 201911 votes

trust me, i hate playing vs that dumb champ, fast, huge damage, somewhat tanky with E spamming, no mana or energy to gate her from facerolling.

still blows my mind how that champ has not seen any meaningful nerfs in years, and now just been sitting in broken tier for months.

early in you cant do anything, she hits 3 you die, any riven that loses to melee is just bad, even counter matchups hardly matter.

SuicidePlankApr 6, 20193 votes

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trust me, i hate playing vs that dumb champ, fast, huge damage, somewhat tanky with E spamming, no mana or energy to gate her from facerolling.

still blows my mind how that champ has not seen any meaningful nerfs in years, and now just been sitting in broken tier for months.

early in you cant do anything, she hits 3 you die, any riven that loses to melee is just bad, even counter matchups hardly matter.

She is perma'ed in my games, I rather face every ranged champion top, because I can somehow get to them and murder their asses. But against Riven? Haahahaha...

General Esdeath Apr 6, 20192 votes

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trust me, i hate playing vs that dumb champ, fast, huge damage, somewhat tanky with E spamming, no mana or energy to gate her from facerolling.

still blows my mind how that champ has not seen any meaningful nerfs in years, and now just been sitting in broken tier for months.

early in you cant do anything, she hits 3 you die, any riven that loses to melee is just bad, even counter matchups hardly matter.

Play Olaf into her. Once you hit 6 she can't CC you.

voltaicspearApr 6, 20193 votes

But then you will be playing olaf who does absolutely nothing after 20mins. Riven hard outscales olaf. Otherwise people would pick him often as a riven counter.

General Esdeath Apr 6, 20191 votes

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But then you will be playing olaf who does absolutely nothing after 20mins. Riven hard outscales olaf. Otherwise people would pick him often as a riven counter.

People do pick him often....you set her far behind and you can roam to help other lanes. Olaf can get his team in a great spot, and then transition into an initiator who distracts.

I love cowboysApr 6, 20199 votes

Western phenomenon btw.

Axis of StruggleApr 6, 20195 votes

Yeah vsing a good riven it's up to them to outplay themselves.

SaevumApr 6, 20194 votes

The problem with Riven is that even if she happens to lose her lane (not by a large margin, i can tell you that) she can still be useful to her team. And THAT is something not all the melee rooster can do.

If she manages to win the lane, she begins to either, jump around like a bunny to win another lanes and set behind everything she can slit. OR, if her team has not been struggling, she will try to pressure or split top or bot.

If she did not managed to win the lane she will either:

wait the for the jungler to set her back on trail again. It's one of those champs that can get herself into the game again, after being pushed away.
Roam to try to get a kill and rotate from there. It's usually mid into top again.
Play passive while hugging the turret trying to stall the lane as much as possible, csing in the process, and utilizing the hard CC aspects of her kit to ensure a skirmish or teamfight. During that time, trying to dive the Riven is often a really bad idea. She is one of those champions that can turn around the table in an instant.

Overall, she is really hard to deal with, specially the OTPs that mastered her and all her good and bad match-ups. People just rather give her the ban button.

And, for those wondering, "what can we pick to deal with her?"

Head to head, toe to toe: Renekton, Olaf.

Window to win: Darius, Trynda, Kled.

Don't take it for granted with the picks i listed, you still require the knowledge to pull it off. This is one of those match-ups that even if you win the lane, you haven't entirely been granted with advantage. It sux, but that's how Riven works, and she is here to stay it seems.

Death by GlamourApr 6, 20193 votes

The animation canceling above all else is the main problem.

ZephyrDrakeApr 6, 20193 votes

Every champion in the game has an unfair advantage over melee champions. Yes even against other melees.

14daysuspensionkApr 6, 20193 votes

How many dashes does she have? She's actually a pretty old design and yet I can see her dashing a fucking million times, reminds me of todays reworks.

kuzzy47Apr 6, 20192 votes

Maybe it's my silver elo but most rivens feed and are useless once teamfighting starts.

YUUKI VKApr 6, 20192 votes

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Maybe it's my silver elo but most rivens feed and are useless once teamfighting starts.

it would be you, if a riven is half decent any champ thats melee will lose, even ren gets shit on to often

The E77Apr 6, 20193 votes

yea thats just shit rivens, a good riven will shit on their lane coz you cant play vs her, then come into a teamfight with BC DD and ult flash w 3rd q r wave thing and insta delete 3 people and leave your tanks on 1/4 hp whilst tanking 5 enemy champions and out healing and shielding their damage, god forbid she ever gets a GA or a steraks, at that point just ff

Proxy345Apr 6, 20192 votes

CAPTAIN TEEMO ON DUTY!!!!!!!!

Teemo

jng dif victimApr 6, 20192 votes

u know whats funny ? the thing that some people thinks JAX or Tryndamere and ... will outscale riven. thats so funny because let me tell u even nasus will not outscale riven or he needs like 2500 stacks. u know why? because riven has best scaling in the game. all of her kits scales with AD. she buys item 1036 and her passive/Q/W/E/R/AA Scales. interesting champion. well designed RIOT. Clap Clap

voltaicspearApr 6, 20191 votes

Jax does outscale riven if you let him scale and not because of his dmg. But just the fact that he is tanky while doing double rivens dmg in the late game. If you give jax enough time to finish 4 items 1 being either randuins or GA you, a riven is not beating him ever. But I agree with Trynd because riven can endlessly kite him even if he outdmgs riven late game.

mack9112Apr 6, 20192 votes

Garen counters her pretty well

Afk on LaneApr 6, 20192 votes

I think that Garen is like the only viable melee pick against riven. Im sure u didn't buy grevious wounds against her item 3123 item 3033 . Thornmail is a bit useles against her because it only apply 1 s GV and she doesn't only heals from her AAs. My match against riven with garen ususally ends as a draw (vs good riven) on lane or i stomp her( usually its bad riven). They key is to, use your w to negate her dmg when she goes in, and later u just silence her with Q , in that moment u get 1.5 s time to deal her dmg, u have to wait for her shield if u wanna deal more dmg, because she can use it while u wanna Q. Your passive allows u to stay long on lane, and your W gives u hell of durability. Even if she poke u and goes back it doesnt really matters because u will heal from it in a short time and also w prevents her from dealing tons of dmg. With judgement on her u can kill her without a problem in a teamfight.

Well garen is not a counter but just a viable pick against her. As someone mentioned here, good riven doesn't has counters. And it also deppends from her if she wanna fight or not, and thats the most annoying thing about match up against her. U are not deciding who engages, because she can negate any of it, and also has mobility to run away, and after 1 s strike at u . When u play vs riven u have to look at the opportunities to trade anytime, when she is out of her e and w in just seconds, just to scratch her from some mere hp.

I think that the best form of cc against her is silence. So if u are playing vs riven just try to take champions which have silence, so u can negate her potential in teamfight for a moment and burst her down with another cc. Silence is also the only reason why garen even can match against her.

Corvin0716Apr 6, 20195 votes

I think that is like the only viable melee pick against riven.

Poppy Renekton Irelia Hecarim Darius Olaf Mordekaiser Singed

You just have no clue what you are talking about.

Tychusfindlay918Apr 6, 20193 votes

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You just have no clue what you are talking about.

Renekton is equally bullshit with conqueror. Darius does not counter riven, try again. Hecarim does not counter riven, try again. Mordekaiser used to be a counter, but riven will just outdamage and outheal him outside of level pre level 3. Irelia is equally bullshit with conqueror. Singed doesn't really win moreso than doesn't die, ends up being free farm lane for riven. Olaf is a skill matchup. Poppy same thing as singed, only useful ish in that she can disengage and GTFO, will get outfarmed in lane though when w on cd.

RaQqaApr 7, 20191 votes

I Agree with u almost with all but i think that vs Olaf she may just have to be careful early and later just kill him.

Irelia Akali before nerfs maybe were a threat to her, after their nerfs i just started to see more rivens lmao.

Jax can beat her mid- late game but he is wrecked by her to this moment

I forgot about Tryndamere if he knows what he is doing he can rape riven after 6, or before but it depends on lucky crit.

voltaicspearApr 6, 20191 votes

Only Irelia is difficult to play in that line up too.

DanyojaApr 7, 20191 votes

Garen use to be a good pick into Garen, but with the new Q animation and the nerf on his silence a while back as well as the movement speed nerfs. He's only good against a Riven that just charges in, since most Garens max Q and even if they max E they wouldn't have the speed boost to trade effectively with a Riven's Q, W, or E.

Sleep On StreamApr 6, 20191 votes

YOU THINK RIVEN IS OP LOOOL HAVE U SEEN GAREN ??????? BUSTED CHAMP THEY BUFF HIM WHEN HIS HEALING IS ISANE AND HIS SILENCE IS OFF COODOWN FOR THE SAME DURATION AS HIS Q

and riven is op you have lost your mind

VoraciousXApr 6, 20191 votes

I like how you're mentioning Darius and Garen when as Riven you actually have to play pretty carefully vs both of them. Darius destroys Riven early if she messes up.

DanyojaApr 6, 20191 votes

Not saying you're wrong, but Darius destroys anyone if they mess up.

VoraciousXApr 7, 20191 votes

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Not saying you're wrong, but Darius destroys anyone if they mess up.

Point is she's a skill matchup vs Darius at best whereas this guy is claiming she wrecks him.

Edit: Or apparently she WAS? She's apparently doing well vs him. Garen though she's still a skill matchup vs while mostly losing to him.

She's still losing mostly vs most of her traditional top lane matchup losses.

TipulJul 26, 20191 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTZAtEwsKho this is Hashinshin talking about Riven, but there is a bonus clip. In that bonus clip, Hashinshin talks with Riot Blaustoise about nerfing Riven. You can see how Riot itself is afraid of nerfing Riven just because of their playerbase and streamers that main that pice of shit.