let morde Q generate full spellvamp

Mortekaiser·Sep 10, 2015·4 votes·464 views

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Maximum MordeSep 10, 20152 votes

Doesn't make sense to me that it isn't full vamp. The spell is no longer aoe, consistency where riot?

JamareeSep 10, 20151 votes

I don't think that is a good idea with the damage amount it can do.

MortekaiserSep 10, 20152 votes

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I don't think that is a good idea with the damage amount it can do.

i disagree seeing as how his W heals much more currently

JamareeSep 10, 20151 votes

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i disagree seeing as how his W heals much more currently

Yes, but now that has the downside of not being able to solo cast.

MortekaiserSep 10, 20152 votes

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Yes, but now that has the downside of not being able to solo cast.

not for long

JamareeSep 10, 20151 votes

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not for long

We will see.

Only Play DariusSep 10, 20152 votes

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I don't think that is a good idea with the damage amount it can do.

Vladimir

JamareeSep 10, 20151 votes

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And that damage pales in comparison to Mordekaiser's Q.

MortekaiserSep 10, 20152 votes

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And that damage pales in comparison to Mordekaiser's Q.

vlad's q is also ranged, on a very short cooldown, and vlad puts himself in far less danger to Q than morde does

also, are you indirectly saying that lifesteal+crit is OP? because that too can do a lot of damage AND heal at the same time, but where are the nerfs for that?

JamareeSep 10, 20151 votes

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vlad's q is also ranged, on a very short cooldown, and vlad puts himself in far less danger to Q than morde does

And that is why Mordekaiser's does far more damage, and Vlad and Mordekaiser's Q have the same CD actually, down to the same time scaling in fact.

also, are you indirectly saying that lifesteal+crit is OP? because that too can do a lot of damage AND heal at the same time, but where are the nerfs for that?

I didn't realize an AA can do up to 1800 if not more.

MortekaiserSep 10, 20152 votes

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And that is why Mordekaiser's does far more damage, and Vlad and Mordekaiser's Q have the same CD actually, down to the same time scaling in fact.

there's also the fact that morde is gated by his abysmal early attack speed and requires 2 previous attacks to get that full blast off. morde has to actually invest in spellvamp and hope he gets those empowered Q autos off. vlad walks up to you, Qs you, and walks away.

{quoted} I didn't realize an AA can do up to 1800 if not more.

have you ever actually played against champs like draven?

or nasus, who gets lifesteal in his kit already and doesn't need to build crit at all to get massive autos off?

morde isn't doing 1800 for that third Q unless he's built full AP (or full AD perhaps?)

JamareeSep 10, 20151 votes

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there's also the fact that morde is gated by his abysmal early attack speed and requires 2 previous attacks to get that full blast off. morde has to actually invest in spellvamp and hope he gets those empowered Q autos off. vlad walks up to you, Qs you, and walks away.

And Mordekaiser also gets a shield from Qing and any Mordekaiser worth his salt is going to start proccing the first two on minions anyway, but at the end of the day, they are two different champions.

have you ever actually played against champs like draven?

or nasus, who gets lifesteal in his kit already and doesn't need to build crit at all to get massive autos off?

Yes, and even the most fed ones don't hit that much, the most I have ever been hit by a Draven is 1600 and Nasus, 1200.

morde isn't doing 1800 for that third Q unless he's built full AP (or full AD perhaps?)

Either or really.

MortekaiserSep 10, 20152 votes

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And Mordekaiser also gets a shield from Qing and any Mordekaiser worth his salt is going to start proccing the first two on minions anyway, but at the end of the day, they are two different champions.

Yes, and even the most fed ones don't hit that much, the most I have ever been hit by a Draven is 1600 and Nasus, 1200.

Either or really.

alright alright alright, lemme break it down to you this way.

since we're talking about full AP morde here, since that's the only way he'll ever do the massive AA numbers you're speaking of, will him getting a relatively sizeable heal really break full AP morde?

"he gets a lot of shield from Q" this doesn't count for much since full AP morde doesn't have that many resists and health to work with, so the passive shield he gets with it will not be this amazing all-protective barrier

there's also the fact that morde, when built full AP mode, has to play risky. and with the state of a lot of mages right now, he takes a rather large risk for a not so generous reward. giving his Q full spellvamp doesn't break him in any sort of way considering he has to work for it. champs like vlad and nasus do not, and their sustain is BUILT INTO THEIR KIT. morde would have to work for the full spellvamp he gets, if he even got any decent sustain from spellvamp+Q right now. but he doesn't.

are you also complaining about differences in numbers? 1600 and 1200 aren't 1800, but they're still fucking huge numbers. and nasus gets those numbers just by farming minions and gets a lot of sustain from his passive anyway. and if morde's doing 1800 per fully empowered third Q, then he hasn't itemized attack speed and takes a long time to ramp up, plus he's squishy as fuck against players who can successfully kite him, which are a lot.

I don't understand why you'd think full spellvamp Q would break a champ that's already playing a high risk situation if he's doing full AP.

JamareeSep 10, 20151 votes

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alright alright alright, lemme break it down to you this way.

since we're talking about full AP morde here, since that's the only way he'll ever do the massive AA numbers you're speaking of, will him getting a relatively sizeable heal really break full AP morde?

Break him, probably not, make him a pubstomper to the point where he would get hard nerfed again because of low elo QQ...yes..yes it will.

"he gets a lot of shield from Q" this doesn't count for much since full AP morde doesn't have that many resists and health to work with, so the passive shield he gets with it will not be this amazing all-protective barrier

Even if it doesn't mean a lot, it is an extra resource to help him survive well past the point of most other characters being dead, you can't utterly right off that shield now and tell me it hasn't saved you while being one HP.

there's also the fact that morde, when built full AP mode, has to play risky. and with the state of a lot of mages right now, he takes a rather large risk for a not so generous reward. giving his Q full spellvamp doesn't break him in any sort of way considering he has to work for it. champs like vlad and nasus do not, and their sustain is BUILT INTO THEIR KIT. morde would have to work for the full spellvamp he gets, if he even got any decent sustain from spellvamp+Q right now. but he doesn't.

True, but now he has more then enough sustain on his packed into his W, and even if he has to work for it, I don't think anyone should get that much healing from just one attack, that is just me personally.

are you also complaining about differences in numbers? 1600 and 1200 aren't 1800, but they're still fucking huge numbers. and nasus gets those numbers just by farming minions and gets a lot of sustain from his passive anyway. and if morde's doing 1800 per fully empowered third Q, then he hasn't itemized attack speed and takes a long time to ramp up, plus he's squishy as fuck against players who can successfully kite him, which are a lot.

None of what you said here, can't be said about nasus besides the sustain part. He takes a long time to ramp up, especially to that true critical mass state and while he won't be squishy as fuck, a full tank nasus doesn't do nearly as much as people perceive, unless he is fed beyond belief or was left to farm for an hour.

I don't understand why you'd think full spellvamp Q would break a champ that's already playing a high risk situation if he's doing full AP.

Because he is sitting at a dangerously high win rate, and near permabanned statis. I have only been able to play him a few times personally and while I don't think he is broken, I do think he is rather strong, as least as a replacement ADC. Any buffs to him as of right now, would be overkill and lead to him getting nerfed because of QQ, just like how he got nerfed the first time.

MortekaiserSep 10, 20152 votes

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Break him, probably not, make him a pubstomper to the point where he would get hard nerfed again because of low elo QQ...yes..yes it will.

you mean like what he already is? his kit is literally a pubstompers dream (toxic kit based on outleveling opponents), but right now his kit is so overtuned that it can just win by existing.

when it gets inevitably nerfed he'll be a low elo stomper but nothing more

Even if it doesn't mean a lot, it is an extra resource to help him survive well past the point of most other characters being dead, you can't utterly right off that shield now and tell me it hasn't saved you while being one HP.

with AP morde, I mostly can write off the shield. a lot of champs can bust through that shield no problemo

True, but now he has more then enough sustain on his packed into his W, and even if he has to work for it, I don't think anyone should get that much healing from just one attack, that is just me personally.

im speaking of the solo lane morde that is about to make a comeback with W being solo cast. duo lane morde does not need to build spellvamp because his W heal is overtuned as fuck.

None of what you said here, can't be said about nasus besides the sustain part. He takes a long time to ramp up, especially to that true critical mass state and while he won't be squishy as fuck, a full tank nasus doesn't do nearly as much as people perceive, unless he is fed beyond belief or was left to farm for an hour.

there is no ramp up for nasus Q for outright damage in a duel. the damage for his Q depends on him farming minions, and needs no items to be effective. he also doesn't need to autoattack creeps 3 times before he can gain siphon damage. the damage is available instantly whenever he needs it.

morde's q damage has ramp up whenever he needs it, so it isn't available right away. nasus has tools to get to his target built into his kit. morde has to itemize for it, or rely on a teammate. usually both.

Because he is sitting at a dangerously high win rate, and near permabanned statis. I have only been able to play him a few times personally and while I don't think he is broken, I do think he is rather strong, as least as a replacement ADC. Any buffs to him as of right now, would be overkill and lead to him getting nerfed because of QQ, just like how he got nerfed the first time.

not because he's an amazingly powerful champion, its just he's built for stomping botlane. when he cannot stomp botlane anymore, he becomes useless. giving a buff to an item that most mordes already don't build won't really break him in any way

morde is already a noobstomper, and this buff won't really change that.