If we can't make custom sets, Riot has to step up with recommended items.

Eedat·Nov 21, 2016·130 votes·2,980 views

Since we've lost the ability to create custom item sets, you at Riot really need to step your game up on the recommended items.

First off, please add control wards into every recommended set.

Second, you're going to have to pay attention to new builds and such as they pop up.

Third, you really have to bring all the sets up to date.

Fourth, you are going to have to make quick adjustments as items and champions change.

Thanks.

69 Comments

DrCyanideNov 21, 201621 votes

I can't remember if it's TahmKench or Blitzcrank , but one of them has two control wards in their consumable's tab! Exciting stuff!

Yeah, recommended items could certainly use a cleanup pass. I'm trying to build my own Item Set Creator/Editor, but it's still a ways away from being done. Maybe I'll get a version that can do more than display item info this week.

WIP Screenshots: http://i.imgur.com/bFo1wCH.png?noredirect http://i.imgur.com/6xXwqPs.png?noredirect

dakota saturnNov 21, 20164 votes

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I can't remember if it's or , but one of them has two control wards in their consumable's tab! Exciting stuff!

Yeah, recommended items could certainly use a cleanup pass. I'm trying to build my own Item Set Creator/Editor, but it's still a ways away from being done. Maybe I'll get a version that can do more than display item info this week.

WIP Screenshots: http://i.imgur.com/bFo1wCH.png?noredirect http://i.imgur.com/6xXwqPs.png?noredirect

This is cool - how are you making it?

DrCyanideNov 21, 20169 votes

A lot of programming experience and familiarity with the Riot API.

It's using Java, so once I know where MacOS installs League and stores temp files it should work on both Windows and Mac. The Riot API provides all the information on the Items/Champions and should let the app update for new patches automatically.

Info on the API: https://developer.riotgames.com/docs/item-sets WIP Source Code: https://github.com/DrCyanide/Shopkeeper

dakota saturnNov 21, 20164 votes

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A lot of programming experience and familiarity with the Riot API.

It's using Java, so once I know where MacOS installs League and stores temp files it should work on both Windows and Mac. The Riot API provides all the information on the Items/Champions and should let the app update for new patches automatically.

Info on the API: https://developer.riotgames.com/docs/item-sets WIP Source Code: https://github.com/DrCyanide/Shopkeeper

Very interesting, and very cool. I wish I was talented at programming, haha.
Been awhile since my teenage script-kiddie years, though I did teach myself Hexadecimal and PGP encryption when messing around on the dark web.

RedagaNov 21, 20163 votes

The best I can do is edit my own JSON files

https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/15129534_10154747823542520_4356679745039223122_o.jpg

dakota saturnNov 21, 20164 votes

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The best I can do is edit my own JSON files

https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/15129534_10154747823542520_4356679745039223122_o.jpg

Press X to JSON

PaladinNONov 22, 20161 votes

Thank you! A proper visual of the itemset code!

Just scrolling through the current one makes me long for a sanity potion... http://www.iconhot.com/icon/png/the-emperor39s-new-groove/32/potion.png

ApollogyNov 21, 20164 votes

Good luck! I love item sets, I hope this works out.

AeszarckNov 22, 20161 votes

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I can't remember if it's or , but one of them has two control wards in their consumable's tab! Exciting stuff!

Yeah, recommended items could certainly use a cleanup pass. I'm trying to build my own Item Set Creator/Editor, but it's still a ways away from being done. Maybe I'll get a version that can do more than display item info this week.

WIP Screenshots: http://i.imgur.com/bFo1wCH.png?noredirect http://i.imgur.com/6xXwqPs.png?noredirect

You're awesome, DrCyanide. Looks great! I hope you finish it!

Velzard of KozNov 22, 20161 votes

It's in Java! Bleeeeeeh Heretic!

DrCyanideNov 22, 20161 votes

I never claimed to be otherwise :P

A web app was out of the question for item sets, since you would have to have the user navigate to their League directory, scavenge around for item sets, and upload them to your website to edit sets. To save a set the user has to go and download a file from your website, navigate to the League Directory, then save the item set in the right folder. The user experience would frankly be terrible if that was how I did it, discouraging people from making/editing sets at all.

Java's the only desktop language that I've managed to do GUI development in (I've fiddled in Python, but with little success). Combine that with its cross platform nature and my experience with it made it decently appealing for the project. Pretty much everything is going to be waiting on user input, so speed isn't an issue, and telling someone "Go download the latest version of Java" usually results in them understanding what to do and getting it right, rather than "Go download the latest version of Python" and hoping they can set up class paths right.

But if you don't want to use a "heretical" tool you're more than welcome to build your own version :)

Velzard of KozNov 22, 20161 votes

I hate Java because I am lazy. It feels like writing news article when I create object atribute and like writing entire Bible when I write JavaDoc for method. 12 rows of JavaDoc, 4 rows of method's code -> considered proper usage of JavaDoc. I cri everytim.

Finally, I wanted to make my own tool, but the result would be the JSON file and when I tested editing JSON file with Item sets, it didn't work (game ignored the edit). If I recall well, Riot even said they now store item sets based on account so I really wonder how to save it? O_o

DrCyanideNov 22, 20161 votes

They are written to the local file system, then the Game or client pushes the change to their server. Riot hasn't opened up their authentication API for websites to push the Json to the server for you, so the client acts as the middle man.

I recall hearing that you needed to try a custom game first, then it would grab it, but I haven't gotten to that stage yet

Velzard of KozNov 22, 20161 votes

Now that I read comments below, it's possible I've been editing wrong file. Which one is the right one (I don't have game files at my hand now but I believe I was playing with file in configurations while someone reccomended file in lol_air_client folder up to preferences folder)

DrCyanideNov 22, 20162 votes

The official instructions are here - https://developer.riotgames.com/docs/item-sets

Velzard of KozNov 22, 20161 votes

Thanks. It even explains some of attributes I didn't understand, so it's really helpful :)

Fly Fish MasterNov 22, 20161 votes

In Howling Abyss, Ryze has two Oracle's Extract on his recommended page.

SanctimoniousNov 21, 20167 votes

I mean, look at what riot selected as Kayle's "Core" build lol. http://prntscr.com/da2lkw much rather use my own: http://prntscr.com/da2m4i

BlunterMonkNov 21, 20167 votes

no more custom sets? WTF is this bullshit?

RocketRelmNov 21, 20167 votes

They're removing the ability to make custom sets in the new client. You can still make them in the Legacy client, and still use any item sets you already have made, but once legacy client is retired permanently, no more making them.

ApollogyNov 21, 20165 votes

Until we find or create an external item set file editor that can do it for us... ;)

Although, idk if those item sets are still stored on the computer. They used to be computer specific, so you could access the files. Now... I'm not so sure.

LeetriNov 22, 20164 votes

Pretty sure they're stored locally on your computer still, cause Riot said that they're 100% okay with people using 3rd party editors to change those files.

Velzard of KozNov 22, 20161 votes

However, they also moved it to being account-bound. Plus I once tried editing the file and the changes didn't take place. Finally If I recall well, when they announced not bringing Itemsets back and recommended 3rd arty programs, they named programs that didn't even have the ability to change the Item Sets.

PaladinNONov 22, 20161 votes

idk if those item sets are still stored on the computer.

They are still locally stored:

[X]:\League of Legends\RADS\projects\lol_air_client\releases\0.0.1.231\deploy\preferences\[username].properties

VexingRavenNov 22, 20161 votes

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They're removing the ability to make custom sets in the new client. You can still make them in the Legacy client, and still use any item sets you already have made, but once legacy client is retired permanently, no more making them.

Have they said why they're making such an asinine and pointless change?

RocketRelmNov 22, 20161 votes

Their original stated reason was that "So few people use item sets, it isn't worth the trouble of building it into the new client again".

They changed their stance slightly after a whole 'lot' of petitions on the board got Rito to at least realize the segment of their base that used them 'really' liked them.

Velzard of KozNov 22, 20161 votes

And they then said they don't have time and resource when they focus on adding new featurs to the client. So we'll probably have to wait for Replays, Sanbox and bots/customs being finished.

ViiLLAiNNov 21, 20165 votes

or u can just click all items... lol and shop from there

dakota saturnNov 21, 201611 votes

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or u can just click all items... lol and shop from there

The shop has been broken for a long time where if you try to do a Search for the item and click it from the drop down list, it sometimes VANISHES and ERASES your search, so you have to type it again, wasting time. It's inconsistent when this happens, making it even more frustrating, ESPECIALLY when it happens 2-3 times IN A ROW.

Or you have to navigate the clunky AF shop menu - and if it's an item you don't purchase often, then you have to remember where in the list it is, and again, wastes time.

ViiLLAiNNov 21, 20162 votes

idk man u can easily just click dmg and find all the items u need lol

dakota saturnNov 21, 20165 votes

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idk man u can easily just click dmg and find all the items u need lol

Downvoted. Sigh.

ViiLLAiNNov 21, 20163 votes

same

sounds to me that ur just 2 lazy to just find the items u need it really isnt tht hard didnt even know people actually use item sets such a wastew lmao

RocketRelmNov 21, 20167 votes

Okay so, let's say I'm heading back to the shop, and I want as my first buy a Pink, a Health Pot, a Frostfang, and a Null Magic Mantle (it's control wards now, but using this as it's an actual case).

Especially given that you can't buy the fist of these items until you actually get back into base, how much time do you waste just derping around the shop trying to find all the items?

This is kind of like removing Smartcasting from the game, then complaining that the people that liked smartcasting were 'too lazy to hit the button twice to cast'.

ViiLLAiNNov 21, 20162 votes

they didnt remove smart cast.... lol

also its really not hard to know where items are in the all items menu at least for me it isnt if u look most high elo players who stream

if u look at when they shop they almost always use the all item menu

RocketRelmNov 21, 201611 votes

they didnt remove smart cast.... lol

Do you… not understand the concept of a Hypothetical Example?

dakota saturnNov 21, 20168 votes

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Do you… not understand the concept of a Hypothetical Example?

I have a feeling he doesn't understand much of anything TBH.

MontethePythonNov 22, 20162 votes

Just give him some more of these until he learns the error of his ways, he might eventually

https://s16.postimg.org/xg0fhkud1/resize_20.gif

LatefeesNov 21, 20164 votes

I really thought I was the only one that used the dang feature actually. Bump bump bump

Chip BonkNov 22, 20162 votes

I'd like to take a moment for us to admire this splendid community in how it gets along so well... It doesn't.....

AtheosisXNov 22, 20162 votes

Or just make a new item set builder.

Ultimate DeadpooNov 22, 20162 votes

Rengar recommended build. Hunters talisman as first jungle item.....and Rengar doesn't have mana.

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Needler4Nov 22, 20161 votes

Zac doesn't have mana either, and talisman is still the better starter on him. Don't get me wrong, I think machete is better on Rengar.

TDChangelingNov 21, 20161 votes

You're aware the client is still in beta, and they've even said a lot of features will be disabled for awhile, right? For example, you can't put bots in custom games, but you can bet your ass they aren't removing that.

escapeNov 21, 20166 votes

I think riot said that they're going to remove custom sets because according to them not a lot of players are using it and third party item sets will still be allowed

ApollogyNov 21, 20165 votes

3rd party item sets?

I love the item set feature... It'd suck if they removed it. Don't really see a point in removing it either. It can't be that hard of a feature to build.

The last update to it, where it was synced to account rather than computer was also an amazing quality of life improvement.

Velzard of KozNov 22, 20161 votes

They must work on Replays and Sanbox. That's it. These two features, albeit long awaited, are not new features to the client we already have as an extra, it's something that obviously their client update works on and thus they don't have enough resources to work on item sets, too. At least that is the most recent excuse. Unless they meant the bots.