"I was a higher rank last season, so I'm better than my lower rank this season"

Ice Weasel X··9 votes·5,399 views

No, you're not.

Skills fluctuate

Sometimes you're hot, sometimes you're not. Performance is not static, even for the most consistent of players. Outstanding players have slumps. Second stringers have good days. If you switch champions and/or roles, you're also going to perform differently. Haven't touched your old main in a while? You aren't going to be as proficient as you were.

The meta changes

Riot is constantly tweaking the game. Champions gain and lose power. Available items change. Players find new strategies. Surely you're familiar with the term "Flavor of the Month." The only reason it exists is because swarms of people learn about an effective approach that previously wasn't widely known or had fallen out of favor for a while. These shifts often cause changes in bans and force matchups that weren't as common before. If you're facing effective strategies that are unfamiliar to you, your performance will be hindered. Players who are familiar and comfortable with those strategies will flourish.

The playerbase evolves

League of Legends has been around since late 2009. That's roughly 5 1/2 years of availability to millions of people. That's a lot of time for a lot of people to play. So last season you were able to improve your gameplay and win ranked games consistently enough to climb out of Bronze into Silver. What makes you think that other people haven't also improved their skills? If you're on NA, you're one person out of hundreds of thousands in your tier. Odds are heavily stacked against you being the best one of them. You haven't played against them all. Even if you're Bronze 1 in your promotional series, there are many, many players ranked lower than you that are climbing faster.

Your MMR isn't a static value. Last year's 1100 (arbitrary number chosen for discussion) does not hold the same weight as today's 1100. An 1100 earned last year was achieved by playing against people who are most likely no longer roughly 1100. You might not even be able to beat those players again, since they could have improved more than you have in that time. New players at the 1100 mark might be better than last year's players at that mark. Other than seasonal placement modification, your MMR from last year is completely irrelevant. You are placed in games with average MMRs similar to your own. Your MMR is adjusted depending on how consistently you perform against other MMRs. Keep winning against higher MMRs? Your MMR will increase. Lose against lower MMRs? Your MMR will decrease.

While last year you may have reached that higher tier, there are many other players who have also reached your MMR that you have failed to beat. There are also players who were higher than you that have dropped to your MMR, so you are competing against other "fallen" who are probably still better than you. You could also have been placed too high since the MMR system needs you to play over 100 games to tighten its margin of error.

You are your current rank

If you were Silver last year, but Bronze this year, then you are Bronze. If you can't climb back out of Bronze, then obviously you shouldn't be Silver. If someone was Diamond last year and somehow dropped into Silver without being able to get back out, nobody would consider him Diamond. He'd be called out for being an intentional feeder or a boosted/sold account.

Given the following, what do you think a player's rank should be?

  • Player wins 100% of the time against full Bronze/Unranked teams
  • Player loses 100% of the time against teams with Silver+ members

Some would say he should be at the bottom of Silver. Others would say he should be at the top of Bronze. People who understand MMR would say it doesn't matter, because there is almost no difference. There are Bronze players with higher MMR than Silver players. Division V players are very similar to the Division I players of the previous tier. The primary difference is that the upper tier players managed to pass their promotional series.

If you think you should be a specific rank, prove it. Be that rank. If you can't, then you are wrong. Stop rationalizing that you are better because you once reached a higher rank. When you complain about being stuck lower than your "real" rank, you come across as a whiner that is never going to improve. A one-time rank below Challenger (the exception since you can be demoted without losing) doesn't prove that you are that good unless you can maintain it. Stop calling everyone around your rank trash, because if they're all trash and you can't progress past them, that doesn't say much for your own skill.

This message has been brought to you by unranked trash. Don't let that bias you, though. Last season? I was unranked. *touts past performance*

11 Comments

The Paulrus5 votes

The long and the short of that is no. Here's why. This season is less than half over. Your rank at the end of last season was from a full season of playing. Would you decide any sport's playoffs less than half way through the season (not a perfect metaphor, but you get the point)? If someone was gold last season after an entire season of play, and this season (which is less than half way in), he's only high bronze, that may just mean he hasn't played enough to climb back up yet.

The entire ranking system is based on the law of large numbers, that with enough games played, you'll end up at your average skill level. Without large numbers, (ie. enough games in a season), the ranking doesn't hold jack squat for meaning as you haven't settled to where you belong yet. Also, having to win a specific grouping of matches can cause further issues, holding you back for longer periods of time.

Lrn2math

Doctrorpheus1 votes

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The long and the short of that is no. Here's why. This season is less than half over. Your rank at the end of last season was from a full season of playing. Would you decide any sport's playoffs less than half way through the season (not a perfect metaphor, but you get the point)? If someone was gold last season after an entire season of play, and this season (which is less than half way in), he's only high bronze, that may just mean he hasn't played enough to climb back up yet.

The entire ranking system is based on the law of large numbers, that with enough games played, you'll end up at your average skill level. Without large numbers, (ie. enough games in a season), the ranking doesn't hold jack squat for meaning as you haven't settled to where you belong yet. Also, having to win a specific grouping of matches can cause further issues, holding you back for longer periods of time.

Lrn2math

OP BUSTED

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chipndip1

Doesn't mean he's out-right wrong, though. Basically, he's talking about the mindset people have. If you're gold RIGHT NOW, you're not plat because you were last season. If you're diamond RIGHT NOW, you aren't plat either (I have two friends in one or the other of these scenarios. One is gold V while the other is diamond V. Both were low plat last season). Whenever we reference my diamond friend, we say he's diamond, but for some reason, when we reference my gold friend, we say he's plat or "he plays like a plat" (this coming from my friend who's silver III atm, but says he's "gold" since he was gold last season). Since when were we able to just "reserve" where we want to be later in the season? It doesn't make sense to say "I'm ____" if you aren't that thing now. The game changes. The meta changes. Your teammates vary drastically. You change, too. What you were a season ago is not what you are now after rankings refresh. It's idiotic and narcissistic to try to save face by referencing a previous status in a new season unless you're that same status again now.

So I definitely resonate with this thread, and I'm probably gonna show this thread to them at some point. The fastest way to start going up is to realize you're down. If they can force me the harsh truth, even if I'm only bronze I atm, I can do the same thing to them. I'm not half-retarded just because I'm bronze I. >_>

Drukyul2 votes

You are your current rank

This is incredibly untrue until someone's reached at least around 100 games for the season.

Live2LetDie1 votes

This kind of makes me laugh. Rank is easily determined by how many games you play and how average you are. What do I mean? If you play enough games you will rank up if your an average player and be placed higher than what you are. Some last season players are stuck, esp as a support main, in lower Elos. Personally I know I'll get back to plat or even diamond when summer comes around but that's because I need enough games to counter the trolls, dc, afk, etc..

Z5amEDn3Nj2 votes

So what you're trying to say is, you're salty as fuck because you were plat last season and you're stuck in gold 4 this season. I'd be amazed if you even get to gold 3 in the summer.

Looking at your ranked history it doesn't even seem like you deserve gold.

Live2LetDie1 votes

salty that i was placed g5 with 6/4 placments.. ya a little other than that no lol o you like those prev 2 games with dcs at the start lol like i said more games = rank up untill you hit high diamond haha if you think different your special friend.

Egyptian2 votes

the placement probably means your mmr was really low starting this season

Kingsgrave1 votes

The meta shift really fucked me up. Used to be around Gold 4-3ish now Im sitting around Silver 3 and will probably drop further. This thread is 100% correct tho. +1

SSJTribe1 votes

I agree, I have a similar experience as I just started playing Ranked last season, and felt pretty good Climbing the ladder and reaching Silver 2 in the preseason. I felt like I was "almost Gold." But when this season started, I got placed into Bronze 4. I've started climbing out, currently in Bronze 1, but I only get to play about 2 games a day. So I'll usually say, I'm at least Silver, but I agree that I'm not until that Icon changes.

ofart1 votes

Actually, that's not true. You start lower in a new season. No one can instantly get placed in Diamond despite placements. Unless someone has hundreds of games this season, they really are likely to be better than their rank if it is lower than that of the previous season. The game changes but the champions still play almost the same and it's mostly about builds changing.

Moreover, many players, get to a tier to prove to themselves that they can. After that, they stop playing their mains and screw around more. Their actual skill hasn't declined but they are not playing what they have mastered anymore. The only official rank is what you ended the season with. If you're Silver now but were Gold last season, I'd still consider you a Gold player until this season ends and you're still Silver.

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