List of champs who I believe are too strong right now

iTaLenTZ·May 15, 2017·13 votes·1,097 views

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UnboundHadesMay 15, 20177 votes

wait im not the only one who thinks ori is too strong

Fed by Snu SnuMay 15, 20173 votes

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wait im not the only one who thinks ori is too strong

I've been saying it since season 3.

And now she is less strong than she was back then due to itemisation nerfs.

But people will defend that it's ok for her to harass from 800 range because controlling the ball is apparently hard or something.

PaquayMay 15, 20171 votes

I don't think it's a matter of too strong. I think it's, is she top 3 strong... If she is slightly below that then people will forget about her and focus on the OP champs.

Also, she's very team-fight oriented so I think that factors into peoples' perception of her. If it's like Syndra where you get deleted because she Qd the ground a bunch of times then hit R. That's more memorable than the ball that moved 20 times in a team fight and shielded 3 allies and a nice shockwave.

Sire HippingtonMay 16, 20171 votes

If it's like Syndra where you get deleted because she Qd the ground a bunch of times then hit R.

Well, that's what happens when i play Ori most of the time though, i hit Q+W 1-2 times, and the next time i land it i alsp press R and get a kill(or atleast a flash)

People always look at Ori as the teamfighting mage with that high impact ult, but truth is that she's also a really powerfull laner that can stand her ground vs anyone and even be a bully in many matchups.

MelledoneusMay 16, 20171 votes

Careful, they're watching.

Troll for TrumpMay 16, 20171 votes

She's not too strong, just really, really reliable. Basically, Ahri syndrome.

UnboundHadesMay 16, 20171 votes

I don't get why people think ahri is strong I can deal with ahri with any champ besides this immobile dog thing KogMaw

Troll for TrumpMay 16, 20171 votes

She isn't, she's just reliable. She can do many things (lenny face) pretty well. Same with ori.

GULAG 4 UMay 16, 20176 votes

Oh hey, don't bother explaining why they are too strong.

Quality and much effort post.

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420 gramsMay 15, 20172 votes

Adc: cait and Lucian. Support: none. Mid: syndra, fizz Jungle: Graves, ivern, Lee sin Top: maokai, tryndamere, darius.

LucasmanMay 15, 20172 votes

Tryndamere is ridiculous, I don't know how why they would work on other champs when trynd is the way he is

RalanrMay 15, 20171 votes

Lack of ideas I'd wager.

MelledoneusMay 16, 20171 votes

I guess because Tryndamere somewhat works while the champions being reworked are dumpster tier.

meowwow7May 15, 20172 votes

shocking Maokai isn't in the support list but i heard his e is getting nerfed on mana cost cd so lets see

RainfallMay 15, 20172 votes

Definetely add maokai in the supports your op midlaners are not op at all,like none of the 3.

TekkenPlayerMay 15, 20172 votes

for me:

Kassadin Anivia Xayah Fizz Darius LeeSin

are too strong atm

HallbusterMay 15, 20172 votes

I'm a Vladimir main and I agree. Annie should also be one the list if your team lacks champions with reliable poke.

ChønklordMay 16, 20171 votes

I mean, you're a Bronze 3 "vladimir main".

But no, he's not overpowered whatsoever at gold+ elo.

HallbusterMay 16, 20171 votes

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I mean, you're a Bronze 3 "vladimir main".

But no, he's not overpowered whatsoever at gold+ elo.

Normal MMR is around silver.

http://www.lol-mmr.com/profilev2.php?summoner=Hallbuster&region=na

He also holds a 53.5% winrate in the LCS.

ChønklordMay 16, 20171 votes

Oh my, hold me up please I feel faint.

Silver mmr you say, dear goodness me oh my.

That just changes everything!

We're also talking about solo q, not pro play. Pro's can make even malzahar viable in this meta.

ChønklordMay 16, 20171 votes

EDIT: Just checked your link, says Bronze 1 MMR for normals, and B3 for Ranked.

HallbusterMay 16, 20171 votes

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EDIT: Just checked your link, says Bronze 1 MMR for normals, and B3 for Ranked.

It said silver earlier today, I don't know why it went down, I haven't lost 9 games straight.

HallbusterMay 16, 20171 votes

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Oh my, hold me up please I feel faint.

Silver mmr you say, dear goodness me oh my.

That just changes everything!

We're also talking about solo q, not pro play. Pro's can make even malzahar viable in this meta.

Meh, his real strength is his lack of counters. No matchup can truly ruin Vlad's day.

In solo q(Get it Q = transfusion), he is able to outlast anyone in a team fight if he positions himself correctly.

ChønklordMay 16, 20171 votes

Quinn Aatrox DrMundo Fiora Irelia Kayle Nasus Renekton Olaf Swain Tryndamere Trundle

All easily poop on him (or go even). Especially if they buy something like: item 3123 or item 3165 or item 3194

HallbusterMay 16, 20171 votes

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All easily poop on him (or go even). Especially if they buy something like: or or

I agree with most of the list, however, how does DrMundo Fiora Olaf Trundle counter Vladimir ? They don't have enough all in potential or gapclosers to kill him.

ChønklordMay 16, 20171 votes

lol? Fiora dumpsters pretty much everyone in top lane, especially Vlad once she hits 6 and gets 2 longswords.

Trundle has pillar and his Q bite; bait out vlad's sanguine pool, W-E-Q combo all-in, once vlad uses pool and is on retreat and getting focused, he'll usually pop ult as a deterrent. Then Trundle presses R and gains all your resists to tank vlad's R damage.

At the very least, once trundle has merc treads and item 1053 , he can easily stay in lane vs vlad and just farm. Vlad's never going to 1v1 him or any of those champions straight up without jungle help.

Mundo just builds MR and Hp straight off the bat and you're never killing him as vlad. He may not be able to kill vlad, but it's a stalemate slap fight lane.

HallbusterMay 16, 20171 votes

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lol? Fiora dumpsters pretty much everyone in top lane, especially Vlad once she hits 6 and gets 2 longswords.

Trundle has pillar and his Q bite; bait out vlad's sanguine pool. At the very least, once trundle has merc treads and , he can easily stay in lane vs vlad and just farm. Vlad's never going to 1v1 him or any of those champions straight up without jungle help.

Mundo just builds MR and Hp straight off the bat and you're never killing him as vlad. He may not be able to kill vlad, but it's a stalemate slap fight lane.

Can't Vladimir poke Fiora until she's forced to leave though? Unlike trundle and Mundo only her ultimate provides her with reliable sustain if I recall correctly.

ChønklordMay 16, 20171 votes

No, she heals with AA's:

Basic attacks and/or damaging abilities against a Vital deal 2% (+ 4.5% per 100 bonus AD) of target's maximum health as bonus true damage, heal Fiora for 30 - 115 (based on level) and grant her 20 / 30 / 40 / 50% bonus movement speed that decays over 1.75 seconds.

HallbusterMay 16, 20171 votes

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No, she heals with AA's:

Must have missed this detail...

ChønklordMay 16, 20172 votes

Warwick only has sustain if he can stick to a champion; kiting and cc is the most effective way of disabling his power completely (and executioner's).

Ivern is already getting nerfs, and he's completely reliant on the strength of his team strength / coordination to be effective, otherwise he can't do anything on his own.

Lee Sin just got nerfs and falls off mid to late game, as well as being completely shit versus sustain / lifesteal champions that survive his initial burst.

Graves got some nerfs, but his power is being artificially inflated right now by DD and BorK.

Yasuo needs a high skill cap to be effective, and maybe needs a tiny tweak here or there on his early game power to be more balanced.

Gangplank literally loses to almost every single lane opponent top or mid for the entire early game. He's completely reliant on being able to pop barrels / barrel combos for his main damage, and otherwise has no hard CC abilities. Competent teams can erase his team fighting presence completely by right clicking barrels.

Darius has been nerfed multiple times and is in a fairly balanced state right now. He's very feast or famine, and is no longer the ultimate top lane bully. Sustain/DPS/Lifesteal champions dominate him at all stages of the game, CC and kiting disable his teamfight presence, and he's easily blown up if he doesn't build almost complete tank.

LB has been gutted hardcore and is only artificially enhanced by Gunblade.

Vladimir has fallen off the meta because he's such a poor pick versus most of the current dominate champions either mid or top. More MR in game now and less health means he's less effective; he has no early game to speak of and is completely reliant on getting items just to compete in teamfights. In a meta where high burst / dps lifesteal is the primary type of damage, vlad just can't sustain well enough anymore versus competent teams.

Ori is balanced; she seems overpowered because she is a utility mage and has a lot of tools for engage and disengage.

Janna is a support that does almost no damage, and is not overpowered whatsoever. She's reliant entirely on the team from start to finish, and has no hard CC to speak of.

Thresh is balanced, same issue as Ori above.

Cait/Lucian have artificially inflated power due to BorK and DD items.

TargonMay 16, 20172 votes

Personally I don't think Orianna is too strong. Her early game is between weak-average and she's much more team-fight oriented and reliant, so it's pretty hard for her to carry. She has good utility but it's not excessive for the damage that she does. I would personally replace her with Syndra .

robotmasterMay 15, 20171 votes

Yes you are right. However you refer to this that ever champ in this game is balanced and there is not better pick. The truth is this game will never have every single champ will be balanced. There will always a better pick so just get use to it. It won't change.

ChønklordMay 16, 20171 votes

Fiora

Here, I fixed it for you

Athenes LuluMay 16, 20171 votes

no lulu?

Guy Fox TeemoMay 16, 20171 votes

ADC: Cait I agree, Lucian ehhh not really, Xayah maybe Support: Neither, they're perfectly fine, surprised Lulu isn't on that list. APC: Ori's fine, Leblanc kinda shit?, Vlads fine Top: Darius could use some tune downs, Gangplanks fine probably weak actually, Fiora eh, Yasuo some nerfs Jungle: Graves think he's okay now, Ivern yes, Lee some tune downs, Warwick is fine