Being killed by a 2-0 Zoe who missed everything at 11 minutes makes me feel really outplayed

Yenn··3 votes·1,264 views

With the exception of the point-blank bubble when I was at 10% health, which could have just been replaced by an auto with her passive.

https://imgur.com/5OfqrDo

It's actually sad that the game has reached this state.

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Illabethe3 votes

She didn't miss you at all. She used her first Q to clear the minions you were hiding behind. She hit you with GLP. Either you or a minion gave her a second proc of her W with Ignite (It looks like you, because the location is outside of a minion movement pattern, and she would have had to expend the GLP shortly after picking it up).

She hit you with both Ignite and 4 W orbs, 2 More Sparkle procs from her passive, and an E at the end.

bluefire mark 21 votes

Yes but her orbs and passive and all are GARENteed to hit since they auto target is the persons point. The zoe didn't actually put in much effort in landing things

Yenn1 votes

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She didn't miss you at all. She used her first Q to clear the minions you were hiding behind. She hit you with GLP. Either you or a minion gave her a second proc of her W with Ignite (It looks like you, because the location is outside of a minion movement pattern, and she would have had to expend the GLP shortly after picking it up).

She hit you with both Ignite and 4 W orbs, 2 More Sparkle procs from her passive, and an E at the end.

The entire point of this thread is that she only hit me with unavoidable damage and missed her max rank skill shot, and still dumpstered 100% of my health.

And you can literally see her picking one up at the start, and that I don't have Ignite.

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nah Zoe passive got gutted, pretty sure it wouldnt have killed there, and the shield wouldve saved you from ignite

Zoe getting 2 ignites sucks but u couldve cleansed one of em too

You can't cleanse Ignite.

Derpdeherpde3 votes

You can cleanse ignite damage, it just doesn't cleanse grievous wounds.

Malix Farwin1 votes

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You can't cleanse Ignite.

LOL um what!? This pretty much sums up the majority of complainers here, don't even have basic knowledge of the game.

P.S.: Yes you can cleanse Ignite.

KFCeytron1 votes

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The entire point of this thread is that she only hit me with unavoidable damage and missed her max rank skill shot, and still dumpstered 100% of my health.

And you can literally see her picking one up at the start, and that I don't have Ignite.

You can't cleanse Ignite.

The wiki on Cleanse says it removes disables and summoner spells.

Psyrix2 votes

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The entire point of this thread is that she only hit me with unavoidable damage and missed her max rank skill shot, and still dumpstered 100% of my health.

And you can literally see her picking one up at the start, and that I don't have Ignite.

You can't cleanse Ignite.

You can cleanse ignite, hell it was even a strat when ignite was overpowered, it doesn't cleanse the grievous wounds tho (which is dumb imo)

Bears Dont Care2 votes

She hit you with a bubble at the end. If it had missed you would have survived even with the double ignite.

Yenn1 votes

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She hit you with a bubble at the end. If it had missed you would have survived even with the double ignite.

She could have replaced the bubble with an empowered auto, like I said in the post.

Fízz v22 votes

nah Zoe passive got gutted, pretty sure it wouldnt have killed there, and the shield wouldve saved you from ignite

Zoe getting 2 ignites sucks but u couldve cleansed one of em too

Psyrix2 votes

Honestly... most of the dmg u took is arguably not even from Zoe as a champ... it largely came from ignite and Aery. Aery procced 4 times in in that fight. The rest, 3 heat targetted hits and 2 empowered autos. (pretty much 5 autos because the dmg early-midgame from w is negligibly different from base autos. Lategame W deals a total of 195+40% AP (as in all three attcks add up to that)... early game it's unlikely a Zoe will have the W ranked more than once, much less more than twice, so we'll be generous and give it two ranks for a total of 105+40% ap. the empowered autos are gonna have a total of 126.2 +20% AP, she empower autod u twice so that's 252.4 + 40% . so 357.4 +80%. She wasn't holding more than 100 AP, so we'll be generous and say she had 100 AP, that's 80 dmg added on so 437.4 dmg (factored in before mr)... So if Lux had no MR items (only had her base mr), that's only 329.1 dmg she'll be taking , the rest of that dmg comes from Aery, Ignite and the GLP (glp was small anyway tbh).

So 136.5 dmg from Aery (4 procs) 167 dmg from GLP, 230 dmg from Ignite, then some dmg from the minions (about 66.. maybe more because at least 3... [i think it was 5, but for sure 3 hit u, so we'll use the lower number]... managed to hit u and they each deal ~22 dmg at that time)... so after MR and armor it's pretty much 102.4 dmg from Aery, 125.25 dmg from glp, 230 dmg from ignite and ~43 dmg... So that's ~529 not coming from Zoe, more than half ur health.

EDIT: Oh... i hadnt realized u were hit with two ignites. Ignite doesnt stack, it just "refreshes" at lvl 9, ignite deals 46 true dmg per second, u were under the effects for 7-9... 9 seconds.. which is 322, 368 dmg or 414 if u count the very first moment of the second of ignite being applied which is how ignite works) so that's actually 592.2, 638.2 dmg or 684.2 dmg (whether or not u use 7 secs, 8 secs or 9 secs of ignite). Leaning towards it being 7 seconds of ignite rather than 8 or 9.

AR URF1 votes

I don't see any problem here.

Hethalean1 votes

eh better than losing to a lvl 2 darius who missed his Q, so you go in on him, full combo, and ingnite... then you realize his fuking passive does more damage than any 1 of your ability. So that plus his just in general huge stats compared to other melees even. there's a lot of 'outplaying' there too. even if you play a lane bully as well but hit your full combo.

League isn't about outplaying anymore. It's about rolling your face on the keyboard hard enough and then someone dies... then only playing champions that are not bugged (HUGE thing each patch with riot. New patch, new set of bugs. don't forget folks)

Done251 votes

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eh better than losing to a lvl 2 darius who missed his Q, so you go in on him, full combo, and ingnite... then you realize his fuking passive does more damage than any 1 of your ability. So that plus his just in general huge stats compared to other melees even. there's a lot of 'outplaying' there too. even if you play a lane bully as well but hit your full combo.

League isn't about outplaying anymore. It's about rolling your face on the keyboard hard enough and then someone dies... then only playing champions that are not bugged (HUGE thing each patch with riot. New patch, new set of bugs. don't forget folks)

Did you let him fully stack his passive for that free +35 AD? B/c that will 100% kill you.

xDogMeatx1 votes

That ignite lasted forever.

koshkyra1 votes

A lot of champions are like this right now unfortunately. That’s why nobody picks your (and my main) champion (Lux) in high elo because she actually has counterplay.

Paroe1 votes

As others have said, you WERE out played. Smite Ignite* does 230 true damage at level 9.

You took 460 true damage two empowered autos. Three W empowered basic attacks. And an E.

Bears Dont Care1 votes

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Smite does 230 true damage at level 9.

No it doesnt.

Paroe1 votes

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No it doesnt.

Okay then. Tell me how much it does at level 9? Because unless the wiki is wrong...

Edit: pfft. No youre right. SMITE does in fact not do 230 true damage at level 9. I meant ignite, my bad!

Bears Dont Care1 votes

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Okay then. Tell me how much it does at level 9? Because unless the wiki is wrong...

Edit: pfft. No youre right. SMITE does in fact not do 230 true damage at level 9. I meant ignite, my bad!

Haha, I've done that before.

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