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Nidalee in the grand scheme of things

Jesuszilla·9/12/2015, 8:04:15 PM·1 votes·539 views

I know this has been an ongoing thing for a very long time, but.... Nidalee Spears leads to an unfun element of gameplay and needs to be seriously looked at. I am fine with moving her more to an assassin roll with cougar form, what I am not fine with is dodging twelve spears only to get hit by one after two minutes and now I'm just out of the game, or worse if she flashes on me dead. This feeling sucks so much. Why should I be punished so incredibly hard for getting randomly hit by this skillshot? It's 3/4 of an adc health pool from one spear. Not to mention you have to commit so hard to catch her out of position. Her entire kit screams deal with this champion, oh wait you can't. Movespeed, dashes, long range nukes. This just creates a very imbalanced and unfun game environment. I can't count the number of games I have lost because nid managed to hit a single spear on someone and took them out of a fight to make it 4v5, when they were pushing for the win. You just can't do anything about it.

The mana cost is low enough you can just spam it, and cougar costs nothing so there is no fear of being oom and useless in a fight. Her only counterplay is dodge spears. That's not really good enough if she lands one and done on you. I just feel there is too much damage to such a long range ability. Nothing like pushing for the win and going welp, now I have 10% hp from ONE nidalee spear, guess I should just leave.

And before we get anyone in here flaming me... Tanks still take lots of damage from her. Building MR on an ADC isn't good itemization and you basically ruin your item build. Banshee's only stops one spear and can be popped by anyone on her team. It doesn't matter if it's a skillshot that moves slowly or not, it's all reward and no risk since you can just constantly toss them out.

TL:DR Nidalee spears create a poor game environment and over rewards nidalee for hitting one, making her too safe as an assassin.

11 Comments

freya od9/13/2015, 12:02:39 AM4 votes

are you kidding me....? i wish people would stop crying for nidalee nerfs. I mean goddamn. They've nerfed the damage on her q's SO HARD that they're really not even for damage anymore rather than a proc for her combo. The hit box is tiny, and the casting time makes them harder to hit now. As an initiation to her combo. If you've been standing around for so long with low enough HP to get wiped by a nid spear after 12 shots, that's your own fault.

Stellafreyja9/15/2015, 3:20:15 AM3 votes

Are you seriously asking for Nidalee nerfs when her spears were just nerfed and she's currently sitting at around a 45% win rate?

Abyssphere9/16/2015, 7:50:09 PM2 votes

"Why is it fair that Nid can miss ten spears and then hit one and she kills me?" is such a horrible question. It's fair because spending two minutes trying to get a kill but failing repeatedly is something that justifies a high reward for when you eventually succeed. In the time Nidalee throws ten spears any number of mages/assassins will have killed you seeeeeeeeeeeveral times.

You don't want it to be more reliable but weaker if you have any sense at all. It'd be a huge buff to her. You'll get hit by multiple spears in the same time that she would have hit 0-1 in the past, and you'll have to go back because multiple weak-ish spears will do just as much damage as one strong one anyway. Nidalee is much easier to beat, is riskier and has greater skill requirements when her spear is the single most difficult skillshot in the game to hit. You don't understand her or how irrational your feelings in relation to her gameplay are if you suggest changing that paradigm.

Posui Gart9/12/2015, 8:27:35 PM1 votes

The problem with her isn't the spear. Yes, it deals damage, but it can be dodged. The problem is Nida does not need that spear hit, she will just endlessly chase you with that jumps and oneshot you once you are below 50% hp with undodgeable takedown. It is like Vayne and Garen united. And there are also traps that boost her ms and allow her to jump on you from further range while dealing more damage

freya od9/16/2015, 7:43:10 PM1 votes

I'm going to assume you were initially complaining about this game here: http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=jesuszilla it won't let me attach the snap i took of the specific game, but 4 days ago lucian vs nid.

43 minute game. You put down 18 wards in 43 minutes. Your trinket comes up way more than that and something low elo people can NEVER understand is that everyone needs to ward, and it's very crucial that it happens. Let's see, no one really warding too much in a game with a rengar and a nidalee, who both take you out when you're caught out. Yes, let's not ward the entire map so we can all die.

I see you only died 3 times- what did you do with your lead? what objectives were you taking? Your team was really ahead, and some how still lost. How?

Nidalee was also gold 3, so she's probably going to be decently better at strategy and game play then the majority of your team.

You're also lucian. You have a nice little dash that can get you into a safe position from spears and leona initiations.