Nerf Sivir. She's become S tier and has no counter play.

Mavëríck··6 votes·1,498 views

She's the pre nerf Riven of botlane.

-Spell shield that avoids all cc, can be baited, but not easily, nullifying many support counters. -Q damage and auto attack bounces has huge early game damage advantages and is oppressive and safe as fuck when combined with spell shield. -Scaling is good enough to be viable well into the 30 min mark. -Ult buffs whole team. -Passive + the move speed of boots is enough to give her a major kiting and run down advantage, with little counter play thanks to her spell shield, ult, and front loaded damage. -Q is lessened using minions as cover, however the hit box, range, and damage even after reductions is still substantial and offers little counter play.

Where is she supposed to be weak? How is this balanced?

It can be argued that while Ezreal, Draven, and Jinx are all currently S tier picks, these 3 all have exploitable weaknesses;

Ezreal falls off late, is all skill shots and relies on casting to do his damage. He has predictable power spikes that you can play around and exploit.

Draven is easier to catch and does not have any spell shield, being forced to use an item slot on Mercurial Scimitar or GA. combined with his shorter range is very much able to be played around. Albeit still scary.

Jinx is a hyper carry who requires a team in front of her and for her cc to connect. Get caught and yur fucked as Jinx. She relies on her enemy not being able to touch her.

11 Comments

Hayaishi24 votes

She's too safe, Sivir pretty much avoids any interaction she might have with her opponents due to her wave clear and spell shield, pretty much no marksmen except for maybe Cait can push against Sivir, and if you try to waveclear against her she stands between her minions and eats whatever spell you used for waveclear with her shield. On top of all this she is braindead easy to play, champion pretty much requires no thought

She sits at 53% WR Diamond+ with 12% pick rate.

Just nerf her already.

woodvsmurph3 votes

Q - dodge. W - keep distance and it can either bounce to you and then no more bounces or won't touch you E- giant cd. Also only blocks single ability as evidenced by Ali combo vs Sivir shield. Compare with Fiora riposte or Jax counterstrike and it's very tame R- gives minimal combat stats. Basically a "run faster" button. Broken because of the utility it gives team? Xayah has her own self peeling in 2 forms (cc from feather stun thing and her ult). Ashe has infinite range stun to start teamfights. Jhin can slow enemies from a mile away to help his team pick someone off. Cait has traps to zone the other team if her team is forcing an objective. But apparently... run really fast is just sooooo broken compared with all of these. But... but the movespeed is so strong for kite/chase. ... She's short ranged. Kallista has a hop whenever she aa's. Lucian and vayne also have low cd mobility (plus stealth for vayne) to help protect them due to being short ranged. Sivir has none of these. She has one very long cd "run fast" button and a long cd single-ability-blocking spellshield.

Mana costs. Sivir burns through mana faster than probably anyone besides maybe Jayce. Potent when she can spam... but can't spam nearly as much or consistently as others who have less mana-intense spells or have larger mana pools.

Omg she can push a minion wave like nobody's business compared with other adc's... until she runs out of mana after about 2-3 waves. Sounds soooo broken to me.

Almost like if you consider the full context... she's got a pretty reasonable kit. Did I miss anything?[sg-lux-2]

Anchobi2 votes

all wrong, there is no couterplay, open your eyes!!! item 2056 item 3649

woodvsmurph1 votes

How did you know I fell asleep reading your flawed and boring rant?

You must work for Facebook.

Anchobi3 votes

hahaha lol

  1. Im not OP of this thread
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ZephyrDrake3 votes

ok... so where did her "counterplay" went to? nothing changed about her so why does she suddenly now has "no counterplay"?

SuperTopLFBottom1 votes

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ok... so where did her "counterplay" went to? nothing changed about her so why does she suddenly now has "no counterplay"?

Ten buffs in a row kinda do the trick.

And pretty much no crit adc has any counterplay that's not unique to sivir.

Rysophage1 votes

Vayne

The thigh guy1 votes

She isn’t even close to op. Let’s look at her. She has MASSIVE mana costs along side a small mana pool.

Oh oh oh. But she has a mana refund? On her spell shield. That the enemy controls her use of.

She has massive damage with bouncing blades early.……… it’s 20. 20 damage.

Her passive gives her lots of ms. And she has to hit an enemy champion to get it. And it’s less than about 90% of ms boosts.

Her ult. Is that a joke? It’s a team wide ms boost. You know what else is a team wide ms buff and if almost never built? Shureliya.

Metal Janna1 votes

Sivir's counterplay is the same as Ezreal's counterplay: get fed off the support while the ADC uselessly throws one Q your direction while running away. People who pick Ezreal/Sivir are what I call "assassin main"s. The kind of player who is so afraid of marring their beautiful KDA that they only take fights they can't see themselves dying in. Until they see an easy kill someone else has set up for them, they won't go in.

macspam1 votes

The W damage is not that high and decreases with subsequent bounces. Q does decreased damage after hitting a minion. Im not saying sivirs not strong but she definitely has counterplay, specifically she is very vulnerable to all ins. Play something like tristana or draven into her, if you can get an early kill against her youve won the lane because you can do it over and over. Or play with a support like leona, alistair, zyra, etc. She can only block a single ability with spellshield and these champs either do damage from many sources (e.g. zyra plants) or have multiple chainable cc abilities (Leona/Alistair). Or, if shes Parma pushing, play with a jungler who will gank her.

Sivir is like the malzahar of botlane. She wins lane by means of waveclear. She has better waveclear than malz but unlike him she cannot 100-0 you by spamming 4 abilities within 1.5 seconds.

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