Is there really no countering a ranged top? Seriously?

Mavëríck··16 votes·2,738 views

I love how these board claim there is "nothing that can be done vs an adc/mage top" while ignoring basic fundamentals of the game. God forbid anyone learn to play _against, and eventually learn to overcome _ something they struggle against. "Top is JUST for Tanks, Fighters, Bruisers! My Pro Guides said so! WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS RITO?!"

Dear god. There's a myriad of things you can do vs a ranged top as melee. Aside from general game fundamentals that are independent of the champion you play such as;

-trading during your opponents cooldowns -leeching exp to keep up and play for a roam late -plain playing safe so as to slow the enemy's snowballing -last hitting under tower -basic wave freezing -Play around a minion wave and all-in for a beneficial trade or possible kill (ESPECIALLY when they try to zone as their minions will be farther away) etc

you can also utilize certain Top lane champions with sustain, mid range poke, cc, etc and utiliza champion knowledge. -Malphite can poke with comet and gets a free shield every 10 seconds that scales -Garen can regenerate and come back in to leech exp and farm under tower -Aatrox Q1 and Q2 provide strong poke with an easy disengage with E and a powerful all in with W + Q3 -Darius Ghost build + pull, nuff said -Sion can typically score a kill even if he dies with the remnant I could go on

Example: Kennen

He's going to be annoying early game, but he's typically going to go for Doran's Blade to start meaning you can afford to rush Tabis and mitigate his early game poke right there. After that, simply buy item 3211 or item 3155 depending on your champion type and you've gimped his harass potential by a fair amount. These items are incredibly gold efficient for this match up and the only real requirement to making sure you get them is to play safe and get them using the above methods of basic game and champion knowledge.

THE POWER. IS. YOURS!

(Down vote immediately. Meaning you didn't even READ. LOL. Fucking pathetic.)

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R107 Games15 votes

Nice memerino.

Wtf do I do as:

Renekton vs Vayne Renekton vs Kennen Mordekaiser vs Vayne Aatrox vs Karma Aatrox vs Neeko ???

If the answer is "play safe" aka miss 50+ minions and thus be invalidated for the entirety of the game due to one champ then indeed nice memerino

Mavëríck4 votes

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Nice memerino.

Wtf do I do as:

Renekton vs Vayne Renekton vs Kennen Mordekaiser vs Vayne Aatrox vs Karma Aatrox vs Neeko ???

If the answer is "play safe" aka miss 50+ minions and thus be invalidated for the entirety of the game due to one champ then indeed nice memerino

There's a myriad of things you can do vs a ranged top as melee. Aside from general game fundamentals that are independent of the champion you play such as;

-trading during your opponents cooldowns -leeching exp to keep up and play for a roam late -plain playing safe so as to slow the enemy's snowballing -last hitting under tower -basic wave freezing -Play around a minion wave and all-in for a beneficial trade or possible kill (ESPECIALLY when they try to zone as their minions will be farther away) etc

Renekton vs Vayne item 3047 > item 3082 / item 3077 depending if you want to all in and or farm under tower/freeze Renekton vs Kennen item 3047 > item 3211 since he's looking to go AD from start and start building AP after first recall Mordekaiser vs Vayne item 3047 >item 3136 play under tower till 6, let her get cocky and use E to draw her close to tower and pop ult. Mask provides sustain the longer you fight a champ. Watch for her ult and try to Q where she rolls to. With her typically tumbling away from her own minions she will be taking extra damage from Q. Pop your shield to mitigate her true damage his early game. Watch the silver rings and pop on the second one. Aatrox vs Karma item 3047 /item 3111 >item 3155 /item 1053 Depending on your own preference in how you want to approach her you can go Tabi and soak her auto attacks while dodging her abilities or try to sustain through them with Mercs. Harass when she Q's. She might stun you but a Q1+Q2 and a hard disengage will provide plenty of even trades, especially if you can his your passive proc on her for healing. Pay attention to her cool downs above all else. Aatrox vs Neeko item 3111> item 3155 Avoid that root at all costs and just like Karma pay attention to the cooldown of that ability. Poke with only Q1. This is a great match up to go Grasp > Demolition into if you want to get in her face and root with your W. She will try to root you and run from an all in more than likely, at which point, pop W, hit Q1 or Q2 as she runs and E Q3 for some massive damage. Push her back enough and you can score turret plates or follow up on another trade with your ult if she sticks around.

R107 Games10 votes

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There's a myriad of things you can do vs a ranged top as melee. Aside from general game fundamentals that are independent of the champion you play such as;

-trading during your opponents cooldowns -leeching exp to keep up and play for a roam late -plain playing safe so as to slow the enemy's snowballing -last hitting under tower -basic wave freezing -Play around a minion wave and all-in for a beneficial trade or possible kill (ESPECIALLY when they try to zone as their minions will be farther away) etc

But what if -- get this... what if the enemy has brain cells? And wtf are those item suggestions? Renekton has to invest in damage and not on fucking tank items early unless you want to deal shit for damage. If you buy a hexdrinker as Aatrox then you can't have the passive for Sterak' s Gage which is fucking core on Aatrox.

Have you ever played any of those champions? Like for the love of god, you realize the point of Karma against Aatrox? -- she shields and the ms means I can't Q aka trade with her

Mavëríck4 votes

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But what if -- get this... what if the enemy has brain cells? And wtf are those item suggestions? Renekton has to invest in damage and not on fucking tank items early unless you want to deal shit for damage. If you buy a hexdrinker as Aatrox then you can't have the passive for Sterak' s Gage which is fucking core on Aatrox.

Have you ever played any of those champions?

Do you even macro?

R107 Games9 votes

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Do you even macro?

What elo are you in?

Eedat3 votes

What ELO are YOU in? Posting on an unranked level 25 account shit talking people's ranks?

Let me guess, your main is challenger at least

Eedat4 votes

No. You force her to use her E then get back on her before it comes back up. It has a 20 second CD, she builds no CDR, and she maxes it last. Or just pretend there isnt anything you can do and feed her idgaf

Every single champion has good and bad matchups. The ones that don't like TahmKench and old Ornn are the TRUE cancer

wTf Do I dO aS:

MonkeyKing vs Darius Jax vs Illaoi Nasus vs Pantheon Shen vs Mordekaiser

tHeSe ChAmPs MuSt Be CaNcEr Bc ThEy bUlLy mE eArLy. WoW gUiSe ThEy ZoNeD mE oFf FaRm I aM nOw InVaLiD

D357R0Y3R2 votes

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Wtf do I do as:

Renekton vs Vayne

are you meming?

R107 Games3 votes

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are you meming?

Are you trolling? Literally look at Renekton's winrate against Vayne

D357R0Y3R3 votes

oh yea?

https://i.gyazo.com/aa77d7969c4b1ee797140ba048071853.png

53% kill rate in lane against 46% guess THAT YOU REALLY CANT DO ANYTHING AGAINST HER

ofc he will have a lower win rate since he gets outscaled but in lane vayne gets shit on

Leon41673 votes

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Nice memerino.

Wtf do I do as:

Renekton vs Vayne Renekton vs Kennen Mordekaiser vs Vayne Aatrox vs Karma Aatrox vs Neeko ???

If the answer is "play safe" aka miss 50+ minions and thus be invalidated for the entirety of the game due to one champ then indeed nice memerino

How do you not manage to kill Vayne as Rene? He can trade very easily if you use your E through the minions and then E-W-Q before Vayne can react and she'll most likely try to run and kite you of which you then turn and get back to your minions. I'm not trying to sound harsh it's just I fine it hard to see Rene lose to Vayne easily.

Meteora70713 votes

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Eedat3 votes

Vote manipulators ruin yet another thread. All these comments getting +9 upvotes while the thread and other comments get -9 in the course of a few minutes.

Fix when?

Meteora7071 votes

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Eedat4 votes

No, I literally watched your comment get exactly 9 upvotes while his got exactly 9 downvotes in the course of like 3-4 minutes. The thread also got -9 and a couple other comments got hit too. Welcome to the boards. This has been happening for months

Meteora7073 votes

I don't see why anyone would bother to do that, I'm also seeing a lot different down votes that are lower than 9 and much higher than 9 so eh.

Eedat8 votes

People love when they get a favorable matchup but OMG BULLSHIT TRASH GAME WORTHLESS BALANCE TEAM when the table is flipped.

People just refuse to pick their fights more carefully and wait for an oppurtunity

The thigh guy5 votes

The way to beat a ranged top laner. Get on them.

If at any point you get into melee with a ranged champions as a melee champion, you basically can’t lose.

Ryujin No Sora6 votes

Kennen Karma Viktor Anivia (once upon a time) Like wtf are you talking about LOL. Have you EVER played vs a competent player? Aka someone that has at least been diamond 1+ once in his league career. You dont win MvR matchUps unless your champion is extremenly overloaded or you get jungle assistance.

OneMustFall3 votes

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Kennen Karma Viktor Anivia (once upon a time) Like wtf are you talking about LOL. Have you EVER played vs a competent player? Aka someone that has at least been diamond 1+ once in his league career. You dont win MvR matchUps unless your champion is extremenly overloaded or you get jungle assistance.

First off, 99% of people are not going to be playing against people who have been Diamond 1 in their League career so it's silly to even bring up that when discussing the game. Secondly, that's also nonsense. There are plenty of melee champions that have gap closers that deal well with ranged champions. Volibear comes to mind who has a high win rate across every elo vs Vayne Quinn top lane.

Ryujin No Sora4 votes

If a vayne Loses to a Voli then the guy needs to be permabanned. Voli can kill Vayne around 2 times at max 3 times in the game by flashing on her. He loses that ability around 1st item powerspike let's say 15mins in. After that it's only a matter if he can set her up to be killed. But ya'll talking straight 1v1's here.

The thigh guy3 votes

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Kennen Karma Viktor Anivia (once upon a time) Like wtf are you talking about LOL. Have you EVER played vs a competent player? Aka someone that has at least been diamond 1+ once in his league career. You dont win MvR matchUps unless your champion is extremenly overloaded or you get jungle assistance.

No. You win fights the moment you get on them. :/ if you sit and let them hailmarry at you all fucking lane what do you expect to happen.

Meteora7074 votes

t: someone that has never played against neeko

preternatural5 votes

if you have a vayne piloted by faker, vs a darius piloted by faker, which champion would win?

Lapantino2 votes

faker win

Eedat2 votes

You're talking about the man who wins with Garen mid

MalignMetal3 votes

Get sustain DON'T DIE Lose farm Hate your life Wait for your team to carry you.

Cause "you" lost at champ select but your "team" can still win

Soul Dealer2 votes

I agree to an extent but for some champs you really have no way to play around it. Malphite cs Quinn for example, Quinn gets to poke you for free and trade with you for free and there is almost nothing you can do about it until you have ult. Even when you have ult if you can’t 100-0 her you still can’t do much.

This is talking about tank malphite with grasp btw not ap malphite or malphite with comets. Those are not good picks and are getting heavily nerfed next patch In favor of tank malphite buffs.

Vivial Moon2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Soul Dealer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AdVqWP5U,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-07-06T20:34:27.940+0000)

I agree to an extent but for some champs you really have no way to play around it. Malphite cs Quinn for example, Quinn gets to poke you for free and trade with you for free and there is almost nothing you can do about it until you have ult. Even when you have ult if you can’t 100-0 her you still can’t do much.

This is talking about tank malphite with grasp btw not ap malphite or malphite with comets. Those are not good picks and are getting heavily nerfed next patch In favor of tank malphite buffs.

I’m pretty sure you just auto win as malph after buying a few items...

Exin02 votes

[{quoted}](name=Soul Dealer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AdVqWP5U,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-07-06T20:34:27.940+0000)

I agree to an extent but for some champs you really have no way to play around it. Malphite cs Quinn for example, Quinn gets to poke you for free and trade with you for free and there is almost nothing you can do about it until you have ult. Even when you have ult if you can’t 100-0 her you still can’t do much.

This is talking about tank malphite with grasp btw not ap malphite or malphite with comets. Those are not good picks and are getting heavily nerfed next patch In favor of tank malphite buffs.

thats whole point of counterpicking no?

Soul Dealer2 votes

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thats whole point of counterpicking no?

That is the point of counterpicking but I should still be able to interact with my lane and have a chance. In matchups like this I have sit under turret and only go for the melee minions which really hurts my over all game and makes me pretty useless for a good portion of the game.

Anderson Paak3 votes

Imagine ranting about your Silver "unwinnable ranged top" matchups and having Malphite vs Quinn as your argument. Malphite with only a ninja tabis completely dumpsters Quinn.

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