So wouldn't it make more sense for % max HP to be on AP champions?

deadlychuck··1 votes·391 views

In respect to the game's different systems of rock-paper-scissors.

Most of riot's % max has been put onto AD champions like Vayne Kled Fiora KogMaw Gnar Shyvana Kindred exc

If you put it onto AP champions, which there are some with % max HP, but there are far fewer, then you'd have much better control of their limitations, but you could in theory create a champion with no significant amount of flat damage, and only % max HP, but only if they were AP, as AD implicitly has a substantial amount of flat damage associated with their auto attacks.

I mean, a good example of this in action is a champion like Varus not AD, but AP. He has a reasonable amount of flat damage (noting massive 435 Q + E + ~700 damage ult before resistances), but then substantial % max HP damage, with his W (at 500 giving 15% per stack).

They'd be capable of killing a tank nearly as quickly as they could kill a squishy, but dial back their kill timer to slower than that of flat damage dealers against squishies, then you have a class of champions which are viably countered by squishies with their sustain recovery, but counters tanks. Where as when you start making champions like Fiora KogMaw Vayne item 3153 which deal with tanks, but also keep their implicit flat damage from their auto attacks, it seems like you're creating an even harder environment to balance the game because you can't reasonably remove their access to flat damage.

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HaIlMonitor2 votes

AP is supposed to be weak to tanks. That is why they dont have nearly the same amount of % damage.

deadlychuck1 votes

I know what it's supposed to be [slayer-jinx-unamused] man are people just not able to comprehend what i'm saying? I thought i had made it pretty clear. Why is

AP is supposed to be weak to tanks. That is why they dont have nearly the same amount of % damage.

Is a better design, and easier to balance, than this

AD is suppose to be weak to tanks. That is why they don't have nearly the same amount of % damage.

Because how i see it, the implicit flat damage on auto attacks, means giving them the tank killing power makes it both the ideal stat no matter how tanky or squishy the target is.

Slack King1 votes

Mages? You mean supports?

deadlychuck1 votes

You'd think at this point.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

mages are supposed to be weak to health stacking and defense, and strong at bursting outher squishies.

riot puts % health damage for two reasons into champion kits.

a) theyre supposed to make a carry target agnostic. means champions with sustained damage like Fiora are supposed to be able to fight squishies aswell as tanks. this type of % damage usually scales wih bonus ad.

b) theyre supposed to support bruisers like Shyvana and give them reliable base damage on defense heavy builds.

deadlychuck1 votes

I'm asking why they are designing it in that way. I know the current status quo. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

But wouldn't it make more sense to make mages the tank killers with % damage and limit their flat damage, in a way that's impossible to do to AD champions.

undesirable team1 votes

Elise Gragas Malzahar Zac Mordekaiser Evelynn Brand Amumu Maokai Sejuani TahmKench ?

deadlychuck1 votes

I'm referring to damage focused champions, so that list gets cut down to about 5, depending how generous you're being.

And even then most have it on their ult, rather than on a basic ability. Meaning it's more of a combo or utility piece rather than an aspect of their damage like in the case of brand or elise.

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