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Rengar Assassin

N3mO06··2 votes·607 views

I think the main role of rengar, for his concept, should be the assassin, an headhunter, but its gameplay is not so. The ideas are confused by his kit, the q and r show an assassin, but w shows a bruiser. What emerges is that rengar not excelled in any of the two: he will never be as big as Vi, he will never have the same utility of fizz and zed or the same power aoe kata and his ulty........o man there is nothing more frustating then his ulty and now I'll show you why: After a number of nerfs, we can say with great certainty that now rengar's ulty has a counterplay, then I wonder if a delay of 3 seconds is still necessary for his R ? An ulty that can be countered easly buying pink or red trinket (the same counterplay of Akali, wukong, Vayne ...). Rengar is the only one that has a delay of 3 sec ON A ULTY. He does not have a blink like Shaco, he goes on foot and is also slow if he tries to escape. Now he has also an higher cd , higher than any ulty of an assassin, something like ulty of a mage.... There is no need. Moreover, if the skill doesn't work for the seconds of delay, the ability goes on cd, but not immediately! We have to wait the whole phase of stealth and Loading stacks (about 13 sec) and only after all, the skill will go in cd and all this is in addition to the normal skills' cd. And finally when rengar respawn,he will not have stacks ...

I would like to ask an improvement of his gameplay or something that makes it more ergonomic for the player, in fact one of the latter changes (rengar not load the next autoattack while jumping) is the most bagged thing that I've ever seen in lol: an assassin jumps ....... and stays still, literally stopped, unless you use skills. No gap-close is so, no one makes a jump and stays still, think of kalista, which has about the same attack speed, think of Yasuo ..... how many laughs you would do if after one of their endless dashes they remain still as rengar ??? Or they have to use a spell to do something during that time?!? Not Even kha stays still after the jump .......

I would love to see a real rework, something that gives clarity to his kit, maybe a dash out of the bushes, something like kalista's q or the combo wq of Nidalee and maybe fix those bugs, because these are bugs! Use as a solution to the burst of a champ the fact that he stay still after the jump is not a solution, but only a bug that creates other problems.In the end sorry if I made many mistakes but it took me really long to write everything with a vocabulary, but I want to participate to the comunity

4 Comments

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

You say all this, and the Koreans sure wrecked a hell lot back at Worlds Championship with Rengar (he is even possibly noted to have a Samsung White skin).

But anyway, his ult is most likely meant to have an effective gank for his ally, not to simply go instant stealth danger-free whenever he loses a fight and plans to escape (kind of like Shaco, but still, he is squishier than Rengar so it's reasonable. You even mention about his tanky stats from his W, which adds a good favor for that 3 second stealth delay).

I would like to ask an improvement of his gameplay or something that makes it more ergonomic for the player, in fact one of the latter changes (rengar not load the next autoattack while jumping) is the most bagged thing that I've ever seen in lol: an assassin jumps ....... and stays still, literally stopped, unless you use skills.

Actually, when he jumps, his first touch onto an enemy is already an autoattack, so he damages on first touch. It can also be a Q or empowered Q on direct contact. Not sure if I grasp the concept of what you're talking about, so here's a try.

. No gap-close is so, no one makes a jump and stays still, think of kalista, which has about the same attack speed, think of Yasuo ..... how many laughs you would do if after one of their endless dashes they remain still as rengar ??? Or they have to use a spell to do something during that time?!? Not Even kha stays still after the jump .......

Has a slow and snare, unlike Khazix does, but I understand what you mean. Yes, Rengar's mobility is very limited unlike the likes of Khazix & Nidalee, but know this. His passive is very useful in catching enemies from bush itself, of course you know this. His jumps also has no cooldowns as well, which means a majority of pitiful enemies being chased down would always would try to attempt to outrun him through the jungle, where Rengar conquers the catch-&-run game in. Stupid statement I know, but hope you understand from this lol.

N3mO061 votes

But anyway, his ult is most likely meant to have an effective gank for his ally, not to simply go instant stealth danger-free whenever he loses a fight and plans to escape (kind of like Shaco, but still, he is squishier than Rengar so it's reasonable. You even mention about his tanky stats from his W, which adds a good favor for that 3 second stealth delay).

The change to his R should be done removing his free stats from w and so the three-second delay would not make more sense

Actually, when he jumps, his first touch onto an enemy is already an autoattack, so he damages on first touch. It can also be a Q or empowered Q on direct contact. Not sure if I grasp the concept of what you're talking about, so here's a try.

all jump has a base damage with scale: yasuo, Le Blanc, Vi, little damage after nerf Kha ( kha has a slow of 50 % on w, easier to land then rengar's e, and a slow for the passive ), tristana, zed no, but his shadow can do all his combo, katarina's shampo, talon's e ( I don't remember the letter)....all champ, and if the problem was that the hit during the jump was an aa with the on-hit-effect, it was enough to remove the no-hit effect and give a standard damage for the jump of rengar. Certainly ''Rengar stays still after the jump'' is NOT a good solution

Anyway thank you for the answer, it is nice to hear other opinions

Akesgeroth1 votes

All right, Rengar. Let's make a few statements, truthisms, and combine them to see what the issue is.

  1. Rengar is meant to jungle.
  2. You cannot jungle without a self-heal of some sort, or at least having a way to tank damage really well.
  3. The only way to prevent characters with heals from being impossible to lane against is to give their heals prohibitive mana costs.
  4. Rengar is manaless.

No, do you see where the problem is? If not, I'll spoonfeed it: Rengar is a manaless champion meant to jungle who's not tank enough to just get hit in the face so he's given a self-heal, which automatically makes him OP in lane unless the heal sucks, in which case he sucks at clearing.

N3mO061 votes

man You can trasform the w in a close gap without free stats giving him bonus damage on q or as w passive( lion's roar) to deal donus damage to Moster, so He doesn't suck in jungle and isn't op in lane for manaless heal.....easy

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