Garen really should just sit in the gutter

Jefftiffy··2 votes·953 views

Until they rework him. No skill to play as him. Stupid to play against when he's strong and worthless when he's weak. IDC if he's a 450 ip champ Poppy sat in the gutter for 4 seasons while they waited to rework her.

Garen is just oppressive when he is strong and worthless when he isn't. He is a stat check by definition he is also high contradictory in his kit and the fact that people are climbing with him in diamond shows how much of a stat check he is. I don't understand Garen is supposed to be the early game lane bully who shits on you if you try to fight him yet he has an armor shred on his E now letting him skip building item 3071. A stupid passive that lets him regen any damage he takes in an engagement and just heal it off because his W is just a flat damage reduction and cc reduction meaning he doesn't die if he gets caught. He has no mana to top if off and his ult isn't on that long of a CD. His ult can turn from magic damage to true damage which is a massive swing factor in his damage considering he literally doesn't build magic pen. His Q is a damn slow removal.

Like how much can you overload a binary champion before you realize that he isn't healthy and should just stay in the gutter like Poppy did. It isn't fun to play him, other than ulting, or as against him nor can it ever be balanced. So why the hell is he allowed to be viable. I honestly want to know why we don't just gutter champions anymore.

Champs that need to be guttered till reworks: Garen Yasuo Twitch Brand Swain . I could name others but none of them are ever fun to play against period let alone when they are strong. I know Swain literally just got reworked, but theres almost no way to balance someone that has a free engage on allied cc passive that also does damage. The rest of his kit is for the most part able to be balanced.

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Critmaster Garen5 votes

why do you care if people can climb around diamond with the champion? youre not even close to that mmr.

youre sitting at gold 5. they can nerf him like two or three times in a row and youre still going to have problems with him down there.

Jefftiffy1 votes

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why do you care if people can climb around diamond with the champion? youre not even close to that mmr.

youre sitting at gold 5. they can nerf him like two or three times in a row and youre still going to have problems with him down there.

He is 100% binary and takes less skill than MasterYi but can out perform him and taking less skill than MasterYi is an accomplishment. The point is I shit on garen before he got a free armor shred on his E. I could just go a tanky champ and outscale him, but with him having built in armor shred without an actual nerf to his damage it just punishes everyone for literally no reason. His spin to win is one of the least skill intensive abilities in the game why does it need an armor reduction on it on top of the weird damage amp when he has no other targets nearby negating the point of an AoE ability having a weakness to lower dps in single target fights. I would much rather them make it so his Q no longer silences for as long, but gives him a chunk of armor pen.

The point is that Garen should not see competitive play for the same reason as MasterYi. In coordinated fights why the hell should a champ that takes no skill and just runs in be able to nuke multiple people down even when properly played against while also not having a fall off point. You say I hate Yi too much? Tryndamere takes more skill than Garen because he dies in a 1v2-3 if you CC him properly and is all damage. Garen runs in with 3.5k hp and a damage reduction and free tank stats for CSing and healing if he loses the trade to come back and just do it again with no cost. You can't tell me that that's healthy and should be allowed in the game. If you do then you never deserve to be on any balance team for any game because you don't care about the overall state of the game. Garen crowds out the meta whenever he is OP there's almost no champs that counter him unless they kill him nonstop before 6 to make his villain mechanic pointless.

And let's say you do kill him in the late game. Congrats you used all your CDs on the Raid boss but now there's 4 angry other people that have either almost wiped you out or have full kits to destroy you after you have dealt with him.

Vlada Cut2 votes

The only problem I've been having with Gare so far are his silence shutting me down from using my kit on my kit relliant champions and his free defence stat scaling. It makes him a toigh duelist unless you can cc hun to death in a 1v1 scenario.

TekkenPlayer1 votes

Most of his counters arent being played usually and hes decent against many of whatever is popular right now except for probably quinn. My only issue with garen is his W making AP champs irrelevant while only building armor and health

Vlada Cut1 votes

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Most of his counters arent being played usually and hes decent against many of whatever is popular right now except for probably quinn. My only issue with garen is his W making AP champs irrelevant while only building armor and health

The damage reduction is really high, I'm not a fond of that. Because throwing all of your cc at him when he W's makes him kaugh at you as he continues to spin and ket his team pick you up because you focused him and not their carries.

Infernape1 votes

Tbh the only thing I hate is the BS villain mechanic. It punishes you for doing well.

Asamas1 votes

You mean sit in the bush UwU

Requiemsfire1 votes

While I can agree that Garen certainly can be oppressive, there are far more oppressive champs than Garen who are much more consistent in performance, Quinn Darius Tryndamere Yasuo Fiddlesticks Zoe

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