Work on this First. People will get over Mordekaiser and Garen, and Skarner will just be on Kassadin status where he has a 98% banrate
Just fix her. I thought Duelists are supposed to be more optimized for 1v1's? Why is she allowed to be naturally tankier than your front line and still do the damage of your carries? Hell even Jax doesn't go insane until he starts scaling or unless he gets fed.
Jamaree2 votesShe isn't tanky at all though, she just has means to mitigate damage.
The Jokes On U1 votesMeans to mitigate damage are what cause tanks to be tanks. For example, I main Shaco. Just because I build a 
doesn't coherently make me tanky. I have no other ways to mitigate damage so something as simple as armor penetration or even a semi fed adc with 
and
can still knock me down quicker than if someone like Malphite or Garen built .
Believe it or not damage mitigation is what allows people to be tanky. Not the items. Why is Fizz annoying? Because he has a means of mitigating (I really mean not taking any) a lot of potential damage. Why is Jax annoying? Because he has a means of mitigating damage. One of Fiora's core items gives her lifesteal and AoE damage which she can heal off of as well as damage mitigation and not to mention one of the highest HP per level gains in the game. Combined with an ultimate which heals her and she's allowed to slow your attack speed, and slow you in the same breath which makes kiting almost irrelevant.
Its stupid, its obnoxious, its anti-fun and its flat out broken. No top laner can really beat her out of the lane (unless you get lucky with a Darius/Garen) right now for the simple fact that you can't 1v1 her. If you try, there's a big chance you'll lose because its what she's designed for. Now she has a few kills and a few items and is somehow optimized to be on the front line and still be able to dish out damage like a carry.
Jamaree2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Jokes On U,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6Qwo84wm,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-08-28T07:41:11.873+0000)
Means to mitigate damage are what cause tanks to be tanks. For example, I main Shaco. Just because I build a
No, abilities such as passive damage reduction, armor and MR increases, CC and team damage mitigation are what allow tanks to be tanks. Jax can have some of the highest armor and MR in the game, that doesn't make him a tank, it just makes him tanky. Fiora on the other hand doesn't have a single ability to raise her health, armor, or MR, she has mitigation.
Believe it or not damage mitigation is what allows people to be tanky. Not the items. Why is Fizz annoying? Because he has a means of mitigating (I really mean not taking any) a lot of potential damage. Why is Jax annoying? Because he has a means of mitigating damage. One of Fiora's core items gives her lifesteal and AoE damage which she can heal off of as well as damage mitigation and not to mention one of the highest HP per level gains in the game. Combined with an ultimate which heals her and she's allowed to slow your attack speed, and slow you in the same breath which makes kiting almost irrelevant.
Yeah, but that is still mitigation, not tankiness. Without her W up, she is still the same old squishy Fiora with an escape this time, but so short range that every top tier jungler as long as they are playing properly will abuse the fuck out of. When you write out a kit like this, yeah, it seems busted as shit. I don't see why a champion is allowed to have a long range knock up gap closer, an ultimate that can also displace as well as health percent damage, and to top it off, the ability to revive, how is all this balanced? Yeah, Zac.
Its stupid, its obnoxious, its anti-fun and its flat out broken. No top laner can really beat her out of the lane (unless you get lucky with a Darius/Garen) right now for the simple fact that you can't 1v1 her.
What of Swain, Gnar, and the two choices you said that you can't really ignore just because, and Yorick?
Honestly, she probably is a tad bit too strong, even though GD once again said she was worst then before and weaker then before, but I digress, but I just want people to use the correct terminology instead of just throwing about buzzwords without them being used properly. If Riot gets flak for doing such, the community should hold themselves to the same standard. Ways to mitigate damage =/= tanky. It is going to be a cold day in hell before Fiora is tankier then Alistar, Gragas, or a Sejunai.
The Jokes On U1 votesNo, abilities such as passive damage reduction, armor and MR increases, CC and team damage mitigation are what allow tanks to be tanks. Jax can have some of the highest armor and MR in the game, that doesn't make him a tank, it just makes him tanky. Fiora on the other hand doesn't have a single ability to raise her health, armor, or MR, she has mitigation.
Yeah, but that is still mitigation, not tankiness. Without her W up, she is still the same old squishy Fiora with an escape this time, but so short range that every top tier jungler as long as they are playing properly will abuse the fuck out of. When you write out a kit like this, yeah, it seems busted as shit. I don't see why a champion is allowed to have a long range knock up gap closer, an ultimate that can also displace as well as health percent damage, and to top it off, the ability to revive, how is all this balanced? Yeah, Zac.
What of Swain, Gnar, and the two choices you said that you can't really ignore just because, and Yorick?
Honestly, she probably is a tad bit too strong, even though GD once again said she was worst then before and weaker then before, but I digress, but I just want people to use the correct terminology instead of just throwing about buzzwords without them being used properly. If Riot gets flak for doing such, the community should hold themselves to the same standard. Ways to mitigate damage =/= tanky. It is going to be a cold day in hell before Fiora is tankier then Alistar, Gragas, or a Sejunai.
Armor and MR increases from abilities is damage mitigation. Jax can ultimate and on top of what "tanky" items that he has can get even bigger stats and become more resistant to damage. This is damage mitigation.
Also I don't think you understand, you have to do something that will force her to use her W, which generally has to be something the player will feel threatened by, whether its an ultimate or some form of immense damage. Fiora can slow an enemies attack speed and STOP, literally stop any ability used against her while returning damage. That is damage mitigation. The fact that you brought Zac into this argument makes me feel like you probably got boosted or something. Zac does almost 0 damage outside of his E unless you're laning with him and is a perfect example of a CC tank with a good form of engage. 4 Yorick counters everyone top, doesn't mean he's broken. Nor does it mean he's a strong pick. He's just annoying and it hard to deal with his in lane harass and high sustain. Swain doesn't beat Fiora post 6, and neither does Gnar.
So Rammus isn't tanky because he gets an increase in MR and Armor. Because you realize that's the only DAMAGE mitigation he actually has outside of building items.....Yeah think about that really quick.
Weiner the Pooh2 votesFioras squishy what are you talking about
Lady Hammerlock1 voteswell generally unless you want to be an assassin you would build offtank after triforce and hydra/titanic and riposte ofc
Weiner the Pooh1 voteswell generally unless you want to be an assassin you would build offtank after triforce and hydra/titanic and riposte ofc
Off tank fiora sounds retarded hopefully that's what they nerf, not ad Fiora
Lady Hammerlock1 votesit is very,very broken
CppL2 votesHer hp/lvl is one of highest in the game.And i dont have a fucking clue why...
Fadedpf1 votesMy top 3 bans in ranked. 
then 
then 
because if he isnt banned well.... and if they ban a few of those for me well I ban out 
azrolator1 votesI really am not a fan of new fiora. I don't think her damage is as strong as before and her double q to either escape or secure kill is gone. Mega damage from her ult is gone. I think she was really OP before though in her way and not really counterable. So I am glad she got changed, just don't really enjoy her now. That said, her damage mitigation is like once every 17 seconds or something and lasts for less than a second. To try to say she is tankier than a front line champ is just so ridiculous that I think the statement was trolling. How can you take a champ with almost no cc, no tankiness aside from a less than a second window and say that? She is definitely beatable. with change to riposte she is less tanky than before and with change to q she has less ability to escape. She lost her damage boost. She lost her untargetability super duper damage ult. How could you fight this fiora now and not come out ahead more than before?