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I don't think toxicity can be justified...

The Jokes On U·8/14/2015, 9:19:04 AM·14 votes·1,843 views

But if you're feeding, hard, like 0 - 5 within 10 minutes and you're doing nothing to change that fact. You're going to piss me off, ruin my gaming experience and personally I feel like that you're the toxic one.

It's all about competitiveness. I'm no pro player, I don't even think I'm an amazing player. I have my off games and I go on tilt every now and then just like everyone else. But if you really expect me to not get upset at you for playing poorly, justify it with "It's just a video game who cares." or some other excuse, and just ruining the whole experience, you're dead wrong.

I'm not a huge rager, I don't flame a crazy amount, but best believe I get upset. Why? Because its frustrating that you can just feed, play poorly and just simply not care and get away with it. But as soon as I tell you to get you to change up in what you're doing, I'm the person in the wrong? I don't get it. I mean I'm in the military. I know this doesn't pertain to everyone because not everyone is in the military, but if you mess up, you accept your mistakes, fix them and keep it pushing. You don't cry and be a huge baby about it. So why is it ok for people to just consistently mess up in a game, refuse to make changes to how they're playing, have someone make a comment about it then spam in all chat "Report [insert champion name here]." in all chat, and me be the one who's reported. I'm not talking about telling them "You suck. Stop feeding" or anything along those lines but simple stuff like "He's already ahead just play defensively under turret and wait for ganks."

I completely understand the fact that you're going to get outplayed, and the player you're laning against just might flat out beat you and simply be better. But if you aren't accepting any criticism and you don't at least attempt to fix your mistakes, how is it my fault?

It's just criticism, and if you can't take it you shouldn't be playing a multiplayer game. This has happened in a few games recently, and yes they've come out of losses but god its infuriating that people can just be so stubborn to realize that I understand you aren't doing that well, and I'm just trying to give you advice. Not say you're bad, or what you're doing is ruining the game.

Toxicity can be defined in this game in many ways, and for me its all based off someone who ruins the gaming experience for many and just flat out makes it un fun. You don't have to win to have fun, but if you're turning the game into something un fun when I have a Rengar walk into my lane because he's 5 - 0 at 10 minutes and instantly delete me, that's not fun.

PS. I know this is a huge rant, just wanted to vent about this because its beyond frustrating.

19 Comments

IcyPepper8/14/2015, 9:34:05 AM4 votes

I expected a thread that would ironically try to justify toxicity.

Instead I got a level-headed post.

Nice. +1

dEAdbUs8/14/2015, 12:48:25 PM2 votes

Ok man, I had situations when enemy champion (Darius) is pushing me hard, sits under my tower for 10 mins and do not gank. Then enemy jungler comes and dives me with Darius. Then Dari just farm me or zone hardly. Every time this happes I see rage and poison in chat, but who failed, me? Asking for help for 10 mins while I was totally ignored by team?

Checked your account, sure you play jungler - only they creates this kind of topics. I didn't gank him, while he was asking for help, then he feeds noob, bla bla bla. Gank, bro. Don't rage. If you do not gank, and someone feed - you failed, not your teammate. There is very rare cases when lane losing hard and you cant gank it (ex: Rengar oneshots you, and babysit bot, you can't do anything - but this is Rito problem, they reworked Rengo such way).

If lane losing, it can be:

  • lane babysitted; you have to counterjung, or countergank, or gank other lanes hard, or take objectives.
  • lane outplayed; you have to gank and help your teammate.
  • lane killed; this means that lane is pushed, and you can gank it 24-7.
  • lane tilting; try to say some kinds words, help him.
  • lane trolling; nothing you can do, stop rage and report him after game.

Is there cases when you can't do anything at all? No. Absolutely no. When I'm losing to Rengo, I know what I did wrong - I didn't ban him, because I don't like him. When I'm losing to someone else, there is reason why I lost. And in 100% there were mistakes from my side, and I can improve my plays, and next time this will help me to carry game.

Before minus, pls write a good answer.

stevedoesmc8/14/2015, 12:49:30 PM1 votes

mute button op

Wyther578/14/2015, 3:41:48 PM1 votes

This whole scenario is why I DREAD playing support these days in ANY game mode except maybe bots. As the support, I can do my absolute best to set up my ADC for success and try to adjust to his/her play style, but when they either just don't take advantage of any kind of opportunities I give them and they don't seem to have any kind of mechanical skill with their champ, I go on tilt pretty quickly. I've seriously watched as my ADC has repeatedly attempted to 2v1 the other bot lane, and then wouldn't help me after I got off a double stun on them and chain CC'd the ADC trying to give them time to help. I've also had games in which I've been about 99.999% certain that my ADC had just purchased their champ, was trying out the ADC role for the first time, or both. I don't usually have a problem with that WHEN IT HAPPENS IN A BOT GAME. Instead, these people decided to take their first ADC experience or their brand spanking new champ into a team builder or draft game for some reason. If you happen to do that, please listen to me, DON'T TRY OUT NEW ROLES OR CHAMPS IN PVP GAMES. Try out the role or champ in a bot game before you attempt it in team builder or other PvP game modes. I understand that you are inexperienced at the role/champ and are just trying to get better, but no one wants to play with you when you can't even play the champ at a level where they can be effective on the team. If you can't land skillshots AT ALL, chain abilities properly, use your ult at the right time, or anything else that makes your champion or role effective in the most basic sense, then you need to work that shit out in a few bot games and then move up to teambuilder when you're somewhat competent with the champ/role.

Zhugan8/14/2015, 5:18:03 PM1 votes

A person getting dumpstered in lane is unfortunate, but the frequency with which someone just gets annihilated in lane in a 1v1 pretty much doesn't exist. Which means that they likely got put into that situation (or god forbid it was in a 1v1 and they just got counterpicked hard) and there is what exactly they are supposed to do about it?

Especially in top lane a single kill and be the entire deciding factor of the lane, especially if the enemy champion is capable of diving. What are you supposed to do? Sit back at the second tier turret and just wait for them to get even more ahead of you? Ward the ganks that aren't even necessary cause your lane opponent can dive you? The only real choice is to call for help, and if that doesn't come its sort of a top laner's worst nightmare.

Mid lane is almost as bad as top, but at least they can roam bot to try for a gank and maybe get back in the game that way. (Which is hypothetically doable top if you are willing to let a turret die for a TP gank that might work.) And bot lane gets to avoid that entire problem by having two people in lane which is both a safer and a harder to gank/dive.

A person who is getting beat isn't feeding, I don't care how badly they're getting beat. And, honestly, calling them out on it and telling them how to "do better" is usually not gonna help. They probably already know what to do to die less, but pretty much all those choices just lead to getting beat harder cause now you're not farming and the other person is.

I say all of this as someone who has been dumpstered in lane and who has seen people be dumpstered in lane (both by me and others, both on my team and on the enemy team). Yeah, it sucks to have an ally get outplayed, and it can definitely make the game way less fun. But even politely telling someone to "stop feeding" is still telling someone to "stop feeding". As if it was their entire goal to get obliterated and lose the game in a really dissatisfying and personally demoralizing way.

Demonlulu NA8/14/2015, 6:11:50 PM1 votes

Look at my forum disccusion on this. Trust me I truly can empathie with you. As a supp main and others below its truly frustrating when people don't apply the knowlaedge into the game. They just want to be thrown in the lion pit and hope for the besa. Read my forum discusasion if you like

Ada Wong8/14/2015, 8:21:43 PM1 votes

Toxicity / Raging at others is not okay played 2 DOTA 2 matches yesterday after taking over 7 months from playing the game, had the same ragers on voice talking trash, and the Second Game, Team Players and good match.

. Lack OF Communication, players who don't talk, or don't understand the reason why its important when someone asks something to say something at champion select, because if you don't tell players you are going Yasuo, and you don't understand the mechanics of the champion you are playing you have already increased your chances to lose the match.

. I don't think everyone is "Toxic" just stupid, no seriously

. Junglers are a huge problem I personally have issues with, Here I go 1-0 in my lane first blood, and my jungler stupidly runs in and gets the enemy a double kill then depending on circumstances they get a advantage in lane phase and can be hard especially when going up against a counter and having a unskilled jungler, just the thought that players often don't use their brain is what creates toxicity too.

. A good example is junglers who just ping when they are over 10 seconds out the standard is 3 seconds or less . You are a fighter / Jungler with no CC and your lane you are ganking has no CC and the lane has full health, but you just run in and do nothing or get both players killed, a good assassin jungle like Akali or Shaco can run through and just deal damage, but this should be called in chat first unless going for a kill.

. OMG Don't focus the support, Sometimes you need to focus the support, like honestly games that our team could have won were lost because our support / Engage did not focus the support, when you have a Katarina mid who can wipe the entire enemy team but one champion keeps ruining her ultimate, and you tell your support to engage and stun /CC the enemy support or X champion and they refuse to do such all together so you lose because of their not thinking like honestly carefully done right sometimes its better to even take out the enemy support first, especially with me when I can 1 hit a enemy ADC and take out 1-3 other enemys before I would die but instead my team decides to not listen or care.

This is where you have to agree a huge amount of the player base isn't toxic, they are just stupid, then they get mad when the game goes badly and threaten reports well no shit this is the reason games go bad.

NecrOphelia8/14/2015, 11:48:18 PM1 votes

Yes, I completely understand.

A few games ago, in my ranked promos, a teammate and I were telling the midlander of the team to stop running straight into the enemy team when they were alone, since they kept getting hit by Ahri charms and were killed instantly.

They proceeded to flip shit, saying that we were being toxic, after we repeated the same thing ("cass stop walking straight into their team, you're making us throw") a few more times and proceeded to intentionally feed for the rest of the game, making me lose that game, and ultimately, my promos.

It's annoying, if not toxic, that some people can't handle being given advice.

Hush Of Night8/15/2015, 8:40:56 AM1 votes

Some things are really obvious. There are guys who can be 0/10 and don't give a shit(because it's just a game), be cool, have fun and make you laugh during the game and the are guys who are 10/0 and with the first mistake they will flame like hell even if this game is a win for sure. It's just a behavior matter. LOL or Riot can't change it but only that guy's environment and surroundings.

Raptamei8/15/2015, 2:02:45 PM1 votes

I don't know why people are surprised by toxicity.

It's a PvP game - the POINT is to beat up on other people to prove your e-masculinity.

Atlas The Bird8/14/2015, 11:26:02 AM1 votes

I get where you're coming from, but does anyone actually end up reporting you for just giving advice?

Personally I think its all in how you tell people. And sometimes its hard, you know, because you're frustrated, you want to win, and there's someone holding you back. I like to think most people would at least hear you out if you give them friendly advice earlier on (before feeding gets out of hand). Still, not everyone will listen and/or be able to utilize all your advice so at the end of the day you just gotta play your best and move on.

Also, a suggestion. If normal games bother you too much, you could always queue up with a group of friends who would be much more receptive to your advice (And maybe be better in general) and play with them. Seems like a good option for a competitive player such as yourself.