why is the buff to garens w being reverted?

Critmaster Garen··5 votes·1,014 views

the increased tenacity and damage reduction on the 0.75 second window made the most sense out of all the changes.

now his armor/magic resist cap is being increased by flat 10?

instead of buffing his main outplay tool and what separates actual good garens from new players picking him up, its just overall flat stat buffs now.

i mean any buff is appreciated, but the champion gets looked at maybe once every 6 month at best. if youre buffing him at all, id rather you made it count and improved aspects of his gameplay first.

  • the initial w buff was good
  • speed up the casting time of decisive strike with champion level instead of the damage buff
  • let garen cast his w during his q animation
  • decrease the lockout timer of his spin cancel from 1 second to 0.5 seconds (this helps with prepping caster minions to lasthit under the turret)
  • do some work on the targeting mechanism of villainy.

work on villainy will take more time and efford, but the other points could still be done with this patch cycle

the extra damage on the q, and the resistances on his w are nice and all (though the restance increase will barely even make a difference). but there are other ways to buff the champion that might be a little more lasting.

especially the long q animation is a lot more punishing than might be immediately obvious.

4 Comments

Critmaster Garen2 votes

i honestly hope the buff to the w active wasnt changed to the passive because of a couple of youtube videos.

Critmaster Garen2 votes

i only became consciously aware of this due to another thread.

but garens auto attack range is 275 units, and garens spin range is noticably shorter than his auto attack range. so a slight buff to his spin range of like 50 units to match his basic attack range would be another way to make his kit less awkward in another place.

there is so much weirdness and clunkyness you could remove from his kit first, before adding flat numbers, that would add up to buff him aswell. please look into doing something like this first before you just increase stats.

fabfan1 votes

I hope a Rioter will see this post...

I can't believe Garen will still be trash tier after this PBE cycle because they ignore Garen players.

MetalGearTeemo1 votes

The should really just give him the spell counter idea that was going around instead just ratcheting up the defense/tenacity further.

Let him counter a spell or attack and let him apply a portion of the blocked damage to next Q. Make everyone scream and run for their lives when Garen dives in front of his ADC and Parries a Jhin 4th auto.

I mean, Garen was largely marketed as "That guy who laughs off your nid spears and poke and heals it off during objective standoffs." this would very much fit into that role, and would differ him from braum or yasuo by giving him a very specialized 1 use application that has big teamfight swinging potential if you get into the right spot at the right time, or Flash to defend an ally, while keeping him aggressively focused

More from Gameplay

More by Critmaster Garen