Fiora passive suggestion

The Cane Master·Jan 22, 2016·0 votes·915 views

Currently it forms an arc of 90° in one of four directions to the enemy champion. The usage (especially during laning phase) goes like this: - if it is in front of the champion (facing Fiora) she will proc it 99% of the time with the dash+AA - if it is behind the champion (directed to enemy turret), Fiora could proc it only using all-in (flashing). I would like to suggest that (vital) arc formed around the enemy champion rotates according to the champion rotation, so that it becomes a duelist dance, as the name of the ability says. Then no vital proc is impossible to proc, but at the same time, none are the brainless-no-counterplay procs. Thoughts?

P.S. If not accepting this change, please change so that her Q doesn't auto acquire target, it's too damn easy and she doesn't have major counters as a whole.

9 Comments

Weiner the PoohJan 22, 20161 votes

if it rotated according to champion position Fiora would never get her passive and never ever get her ult. and its not brainless or lacks coutneplay, youre just bad or lazy.

The Cane MasterJan 23, 20161 votes

Well you see only what you want to see, and the sooner you call any idea stupid the better, right? If you gave this a thought (even reading the post comprehensively), you would see that there is a case right now that makes impossible for Fiora to proc. It's when arc gets assigned behind the enemy champion. That means you would have to dash and walk into his caster minions to proc it, aggroing them all and losing the trade outright. So in all this theory, the facing direction of the arc once it is bout to be assigned is essential. 1. case The champion is facing you, arc gets assigned at his back. When he walks up to cs it's still behind him, as he didn't change facing direction. Once he gets cs and turns away from you facing his minions (180° rotation) the arc gets rotated by that much (180°) and stays at his back, but now that's in front of you making it easy to just Q forward and proc it. 2. case The champion is facing you, arc gets assigned in front. While on this current gameplay, there is almost nothing one could do to prevent you dashing forward and procing the vital (not even get defence optimization as it's doing %max health true dmg), he could turn once he gets cs and "carry" his arc to his front, making it unable for you to proc. And vice versa. The cases where it get's assigned to his right or left, essentially doesn't make difference, as turning completely (180°) just rotates it to the other side, making it not much harder to proc. Just think that there would be no easy proc-ing, but at the same time not caring about facing direction all the time would open up opportunities to proc as easily as if arc assigned is always the one facing you.

Weiner the PoohJan 23, 20161 votes

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Well you see only what you want to see, and the sooner you call any idea stupid the better, right? If you gave this a thought (even reading the post comprehensively), you would see that there is a case right now that makes impossible for Fiora to proc. It's when arc gets assigned behind the enemy champion. That means you would have to dash and walk into his caster minions to proc it, aggroing them all and losing the trade outright. So in all this theory, the facing direction of the arc once it is bout to be assigned is essential. 1. case The champion is facing you, arc gets assigned at his back. When he walks up to cs it's still behind him, as he didn't change facing direction. Once he gets cs and turns away from you facing his minions (180° rotation) the arc gets rotated by that much (180°) and stays at his back, but now that's in front of you making it easy to just Q forward and proc it. 2. case The champion is facing you, arc gets assigned in front. While on this current gameplay, there is almost nothing one could do to prevent you dashing forward and procing the vital (not even get defence optimization as it's doing %max health true dmg), he could turn once he gets cs and "carry" his arc to his front, making it unable for you to proc. And vice versa. The cases where it get's assigned to his right or left, essentially doesn't make difference, as turning completely (180°) just rotates it to the other side, making it not much harder to proc. Just think that there would be no easy proc-ing, but at the same time not caring about facing direction all the time would open up opportunities to proc as easily as if arc assigned is always the one facing you.

Yes but now what in an all in all they have to do is a quick mouse click 90 degrees and rip ur damage. Ive seen Atleast 20 post like this so trust me, it's a bad idea.

The Cane MasterJan 23, 20161 votes

I still think Fiora's passive is too strong because it has almost no counterplay, and more so because it deals %MaxHealth true damage, so you can't even itemize against it. If it dealt physical damage it could stay as it is, for now she's no1 top laner across all regions (talking about pro matches).

Z StatisticJan 23, 20161 votes

You back off. You kite her. You drag her into your minions. Honestly, she probably just has too much reward, which means the scaling needs to decrease. But no counterplay? She has counterplay.

Weiner the PoohJan 23, 20161 votes

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You back off. You kite her. You drag her into your minions. Honestly, she probably just has too much reward, which means the scaling needs to decrease. But no counterplay? She has counterplay.

why the fuck would you decrease the scaling? dont be a fucking idiot, shes supposed to be a glass canon champ, if anything lower its healing, but not make it so she has no damage.

Z StatisticJan 23, 20161 votes

Chill. She has scaling damage based on BAP/lvl, scaling healing based on lvl, and scaling MS base on lvl all tied into her passive.

I didn't say to nerf her damage. I said to decrease her scaling. Which one? Take your pick.

Weiner the PoohJan 23, 20161 votes

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Chill. She has scaling damage based on BAP/lvl, scaling healing based on lvl, and scaling MS base on lvl all tied into her passive.

I didn't say to nerf her damage. I said to decrease her scaling. Which one? Take your pick.

decreasing the scaling decreases the damage, it has no base damage, it scales of her bonus ad, therefore hurting its scaling hurts her damage.

The Cane MasterJan 23, 20161 votes