Can Poppy not outdamage top laners who actually have to invest in damage to kill people

Doseqis··7 votes·940 views

Idk about you guys but i really don't enjoy Poppy outdamaging me and being unkillable on a one tank item powerspike while also retaining amazing CC and disengage as well as engage.

When i'm playing Pantheon or MonkeyKing and she just stops taking damage after Bami's cinder or a chain vest it is so frusterating to watch her just Spam Q on me and do chunks of my Hp even just with one hit of it.

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Big Lincoln5 votes

she's not doing more damage, you're just doing less.

I would say build armor pen but lethality is pretty shit lol.

WinBoat3 votes

He's also probably being counterpicked and feeding against Poppy.

Of course once you feed a champion, even if the champion builds tank, they will do more damage, they are levels ahead and yadda yadda.

WinTheWarOnPants1 votes

it's funny how counterpicks.... you know... counter....

InHaruhiWeTrust4 votes

Nice armor you got there. it would be a shame if someone..... shredded ititem 3071...

Big Lincoln1 votes

truuuu

EvilUnicornLord1 votes

It's scary watching the armor shred icon tear and your health just begins to drain. I hate Black Cleaver as a tank and love it as a juggernaut.

Ralanr1 votes

Yeah. If I'm fighting an AA heavy top laner as a tank and they get BC before I finish my first item, I usually just kiss any chance I have at winning lane goodbye.

InHaruhiWeTrust4 votes

"amazing cc"? wut? she has cc yeah but ALL of it is unreliable with the only exception being the knockback on her E. also you're playing AD lane bullies against a tank... you are literally complaining about her doing her job... pick panth and Wu against Garen Malphite Nautilus Rammus Trundle DrMundo etc and the same thing is gonna happen. side note: you're a horrible person for playing wu in lane and i have no sympathy for anyone who does

TyrekGoldenspear3 votes

Dude if you're playing panth you shouldn't be surprised.

He works best against squishy laners/champs that depend on their autos.

Poppy is neither.

FioraWillCarry2 votes

Poppy is a tank, not a juggernaut. She really doesn't do any kind of respectable damage building full tank. I never felt threatened by her damage. Her CC, now that is the real problem.

Doseqis1 votes

I never said she was a juggernaut, but her damage does need to be toned down. Her Q is on too low of a cooldown for the damage and slow it provides

Dryditch2 votes

Tanks have phenomenal base damages to make up for the minimal investment they make in damage. The fact that Poppy can afford to go a tank item first that adds damage is nice for her, but most of her damage is coming from that Q being used successfully to deal 7% physical maxhealth damage per proc.

You want to stop her from dealing that damage? Build armor. It mitigates her early power.

You're also playing bruisers against a tank who can probably predict your engage and stun you, then murder you with a wall pin. If you have a problem with her, just focus on CS-ing and roaming to kill other targets who aren't going to counter you by virtue of their class.

Jax Cramer2 votes

The low elo kids on the boards here believe its okay for Poppy to do that.

Dryditch2 votes

OP isn't providing us with info about whether Poppy is out-damaging him throughout the game (ie: end-game damage charts) or just in lane. It makes sense that she'll chunk him hard in lane if trading properly with Q, passive, and grasp.

OP should be capable of roaming and doing the damage that befits a bruiser as long as he isn't trying to fight with Poppy early.

Jax Cramer1 votes

No it makes 0 sense that a tank like Poppy outdamages bruisers in lane when she also outscales them in lategame teamfights with her cc, utility and tankiness.

Ralanr2 votes

You outscale her in damage with items.

Dryditch2 votes

As Ralanr has already said, Poppy's entire purpose in teamfights is not damage. Damage and soft CC are the purpose of bruisers.

Poppy is a puretank. Her base damages are high, her scalings are decent, but she isn't going to build anywhere near as much AD as will a bruiser/juggernaut.

Pantheon and Wu are going to dive into the enemy backline and try to fuck up an ADC. Poppy is going to either peel the tanks away so her backline can pepper your squishies or peel assassins and juggernauts off her squishies. Sure she has damage, but she's not going to outdamage a team that knows what it's doing.

OurLestrade1 votes

She punishes mistakes, that's how modern tank damage works. Don't get in the position for her to exploit it, and her damage is low. It's the same with Shen and Sion.

Doseqis1 votes

So just don't farm at all, got it

Ralanr1 votes

Pantheon can farm easily with just last hitting because of his E passive.

Doseqis1 votes

Poppy E, Q's onto you congrats there goes a chunk of your hp and her COTC shield lets her take little to no damage in return

Ralanr2 votes

If you're close enough to a wall to let her stun you then that's you're own damn fault. That's the only way she can hit both blasts of the Q.

Doseqis1 votes

It doesn't even have to be a wall is what i'm getting at, E procs courage than Q does a decent chunk of your Hp on the first half and you literally can't do damage back to her cause COTC shield plus possibly passive

Ralanr1 votes

Yeah the Q hurts, but you can avoid it if she doesn't stun you with the charge. And if she triggers CoTC, then wait four seconds.

After that, you have a few seconds to engage on her while her abilities are on cooldown.

If you keep finding yourself losing the trade, build some armor. The biggest mistake I keep seeing with fighters is that they keep rushing offensive items despite being pushed behind.

Just yesterday I fought a Riven as Poppy. I played around her and got a few kills which allowed me to get my durability items faster and up a level on her. She rushed BC, didn't even finish boots, and I had sunfire while working on my IBG when she finished BC.

She was still squishy and died easily in extended trades because my defense was strong enough for my offense to smash through her shitty defense.

Losing trades? Build defensively for a bit.

ForgiveColour1 votes

Lol yeah yesterday i played poppy into riven and i diving her solo at like level 7 with no damage item and takes no damage from her + turret

Doseqis1 votes

ya my favorite is when she trades with me under turret post sunfire and still wins lul

Ralanr1 votes

Poppy hard counters Riven.

ForgiveColour1 votes

yeah because "counters" means you can tower dive everytime your cd is up and take no damage because of coc XDDDDD

Ralanr1 votes

CoTC is getting nerfed next patch.

Maximum Morde1 votes

She doesnt?

Korillo1 votes

If only it was possible to dodge her Q, if only

nm10101 votes

It is your damage vs her effective health compared to her damage vs your effective health that you seem to not understand. She can do less damage then you and still be taking a higher % of your effective health due to the way hp and resistances scaling multiplicatively while damage scales linearly (without crit).

Aka you need to fit some pen or armor reduction in there big boy. Also colossus basically makes pantheon trading laughable vs poppy.

Doseqis1 votes

First item Black cleaver did nothing, she went so far as to trade with me under tower and still won lol

nm10101 votes

That was more due to colossus vs non-colossus, you won't win trades vs colossus so you either have to bait it or take it yourself (which you can't as pantheon vs poppy so you just lose).

RogueWill1 votes

He has to bait the colosus and then go for a proper trade. That is teh whole reason why it has 30 sec CD and not the 4 sec CD of the others tanks masteries.

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