If ADCs can stop rushing ghostblade

General Esdeath ·Jan 9, 2017·27 votes·3,195 views

That be real great. I don't know how people still haven't learned that rushing lethality is useless.

90 Comments

SukishooJan 9, 20173 votes

MissFortune Jhin are the only ones I ever see rush things like item 3147 or item 3142 . The rest always go item 3085 item 3031

General Esdeath Jan 9, 20171 votes

Both are terrible rushes since armor pen was changed. Jhin utilizes IE much better than any other adc in the game, why would you not rush it?

undesirable teamJan 22, 20171 votes

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Both are terrible rushes since armor pen was changed. Jhin utilizes IE much better than any other adc in the game, why would you not rush it?

Draven

CerealBoxOfDoomJan 9, 20173 votes

I like how you refrain from suggesting any alternatives and explaining why its any better

useless != less efficient than the alternative

General Esdeath Jan 9, 20173 votes

I'm not here to force you to build what I would like. And what one build is good on every adc in the game?

CerealBoxOfDoomJan 9, 20173 votes

you don't have to force anything. But to say "that's wrong" but not be willing to say what better option exists is kindof awkward.

DreadlocksJan 9, 20172 votes

do u play the same game? do u not know what other items are in the game? why does he have to explain any further than he already has. if something isn't obvious to u after the information he had given you, maybe do something research instead of assuming the OP is a prick for not walking u through all the items ADCs build

CerealBoxOfDoomJan 9, 20171 votes

the information he gave?

That be real great. I don't know how people still haven't learned that rushing lethality is useless.

this statement he made doesn't suggest that anything else is better, only that rushing lethality is useless.

And yes if you take a snarky tone I'm going to assume you're an asshole. Deal with it or avoid being snarky.

Like what I did there? I added an extra sentence to let you know how it is instead of just how it isnt

DreadlocksJan 9, 20172 votes

this statement he made doesn't suggest that anything else is better, only that rushing lethality is useless.

The statement suggests that practically everything else is more useFUL

CerealBoxOfDoomJan 10, 20171 votes

and yet refuses to actually say this outright which suggests that it should be questioned

DreadlocksJan 10, 20172 votes

I can tell just by this conversation, not only are you not good at league, but you arn't very bright either.

CerealBoxOfDoomJan 10, 20171 votes

no, what we can tell is that this person is willing to type all day but can do nothing but dance around an issue. Which makes me wonder why. You don't have to be all that great at league, this should be simple math. And now here you are insulting my intelligence yet refuse to do what a bright person would actually do and just give me the fucking information I mentioned

So what's your fucking problem, you act like you got something to hide. You act like you and he and full of shit and trying to cover for something. What's the problem?

I'm smart, in fact I'm so smart I don't have to take your very roundabout shit. Its time to either present a real argument justifying the belittling of anyone who prefers rushing penetration or just accepting that this argument is baseless shit.

DreadlocksJan 10, 20172 votes

If you're so smart then how come you don't understand how LETHALITY works?

CerealBoxOfDoomJan 10, 20171 votes

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DreadlocksJan 10, 20172 votes

present a real argument justifying the belittling of anyone who prefers rushing penetration

Just the perfect indication that you don't understand how armor pen was changed into lethality and how it works.

General Esdeath Jan 9, 20172 votes

I said it would be great if they would stop rushing it since half of them don't understand why it was good and what changed.

DreadlocksJan 9, 20171 votes

kind of the point? basically anything that has AD is probably better LOOOOL

CerealBoxOfDoomJan 9, 20171 votes

isn't lethality always on AD items?

General Esdeath Jan 9, 20173 votes

item 1038 -> item 3031 item 3508 item 3072 Main AD items, no lethality

CerealBoxOfDoomJan 9, 20171 votes

:/ but youre getting AD anyways. It looks more like you're suggesting the not-AD that all these AD items give over lethality.

Crit Crit and CDR lifesteal

General Esdeath Jan 9, 20173 votes

I'm not saying get those 3, I'm saying they're the core items. Casters prefer item 3508 because of the CDR and mana return. Auto attack heavy adcs would want item 3031 for the crit damage. And trade-heavy (or bruisers) would want item 3072 for lifesteal. Lethality on an adc is already trivial because item 3035 exists.

CerealBoxOfDoomJan 9, 20172 votes

item 3035 doesn't penetrate base armor and doesn't build into anything that screws over glass cannons.

General Esdeath Jan 10, 20172 votes

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doesn't build into anything that screws over glass cannons.

You mean damage? item 1038

CerealBoxOfDoomJan 10, 20171 votes

for the same price you could get damage.

or you could get damage Plus psuedoboots with a multiplicative damage bonus that is more reliable than anything less than 100% crits and scales multiplicatively with both crits and damage and attack speed etcetc. item 3134

It also allows you to go base 200-950g earlier if need be and gets you back to lane faster.

It also scales better into lategame than flat damage assuming your opponents aren't getting moderate amounts of armor.

General Esdeath Jan 10, 20171 votes

glass cannon something to counter armor

???

CerealBoxOfDoomJan 10, 20171 votes

Yes, sometimes you need a combination of stats.

For example if the enemy team has a MasterYi and a turret which now considers armor penetration

Pierce The VealJan 12, 20171 votes

{quoted}

I'm not saying get those 3, I'm saying they're the core items. Casters prefer because of the CDR and mana return. Auto attack heavy adcs would want for the crit damage. And trade-heavy (or bruisers) would want for lifesteal. Lethality on an adc is already trivial because exists.

All of which are ridiculously expensive (except last whisper items).

General Esdeath Jan 12, 20171 votes

ADC is a farm role for a reason.

Pierce The VealJan 12, 20171 votes

{quoted}

ADC is a farm role for a reason.

Those 3 combined are almost 10,000 gold.

That's some rather "light" farming.

General Esdeath Jan 12, 20171 votes

Re-read it. You don't buy all 3.

Pierce The VealJan 12, 20171 votes

{quoted}

Re-read it. You don't buy all 3.

You at least buy two all the time m8.

Nobody ever just buys one. That's still around 7k gold. It's a lot.

EschetonJan 9, 20172 votes

4 man rushes bot. Adc clicks a button and ruuuuns awaaaay.

jaymc1130Jan 9, 20172 votes

Just for shits and giggles...

Hey OP.

Do you know what the two highest win rate ADCs and their builds are right now?

Yeah.

A pair of lethality build ADCs that both rush lethality items.

ProfDrDeathJan 9, 20174 votes

http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend&roleSort=ADC

jaymc1130Jan 9, 20171 votes

{quoted}

http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend&roleSort=ADC

Yep. Go pick through that for the two highest win rate ADC builds.

Other, more standard builds were close, but the lethality pair had about a 1% lead last night.

BladeSteelJan 9, 20175 votes

So caitlyn and twitch? Neither of those have lethality...LOL

jaymc1130Jan 9, 20171 votes

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So caitlyn and twitch? Neither of those have lethality...LOL

Neither of those has the highest win rate per build of ADC. And neither has A TYPE of build that is higher win rate than lethality MF.

Facts are fun.

BladeSteelJan 10, 20172 votes

Yeah they do? twitch has a 55% winrate with "a certain build" and caitlyn has a 54% winrate. Meanwhile the "lethality mf buld that is so op" has a 53% winrate. oh and guess what...Varus ALSO HAS A BUILD THAT HAS A 53% WINRATE!!!! With no lethality! WOW! Actually looking up facts is fun!

jaymc1130Jan 10, 20172 votes

{quoted}

Yeah they do? twitch has a 55% winrate with "a certain build" and caitlyn has a 54% winrate. Meanwhile the "lethality mf buld that is so op" has a 53% winrate. oh and guess what...Varus ALSO HAS A BUILD THAT HAS A 53% WINRATE!!!! With no lethality! WOW! Actually looking up facts is fun!

Aight a couple percentage points changed in the last 24 hours.

Valid point remains valid. MF's 54% yesterday was best.

So, to say all lethality adc x y z bad blah blah blah, as op does, was actually wrong in a specific circumstance.

Then.

On top of this. The Title specifies Ghost Blade (a no lethality item) and none of the adc's do this, its not even a statistical trend if he actually meant Ghost Blade.

Hard to respect such a post.

Quipy one liner too.

So.

What else would you like to defend about a nonsensical post I just identified every flaw in?

BladeSteelJan 10, 20171 votes

A) Who said I'm defending the post? I'm just proving you wrong kid. Sorry you take such offense to being proven wrong, but newsflash, that is how you learn best. B) You say I am defending the post. What have I done to defend the post? Name one thing. I have only proven you wrong. And you decide to be a child about it. Instead of saying "ah I was wrong lol" you decide to attack me, showing how insecure you really are. Hard to respect your comments.

jaymc1130Jan 10, 20171 votes

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A) Who said I'm defending the post?

You responded directly to me defending the post...

Ah.

WP.

Nice troll mate. Ya got me. WP. Slow clap. Will now ignore cuz troll.

BladeSteelJan 10, 20172 votes

No I replied directly to you showing you that you were wrong? Calling someone a troll doesn't make them one, it just shows how stupid you are when they're right.

General Esdeath Jan 9, 20176 votes

Caitlyn Twitch

Oh man, look who comes at the bottom. Lucian the champ who had the famous "Armor shred item 3142 item 3071 " build

GinkoGJan 10, 20171 votes

Jesus, what happened to lucian?

Clockwork MouseJan 10, 20171 votes

Riot took away his toys.

ProfDrDeathJan 10, 20171 votes

Lost the ArPen build. However, notice how his play rate is still above 10% despite being the worst of all ADCs...

Before the ArPen build, Lucian always had problems with tanks in the game. Guess what is really strong right now?

Also, in the later stages of the game, he needs to get close to the fight to do most of his stuff with an AA-based build. The issue with that is, due to the reworked ADC builds (Marksman Update), after ER/Zeal item/IE, he can only have two of the following three: Lifesteal, ArPen, Defensive Item, when he needs all three to survive and deal with tanks.

King LeBongJan 10, 20171 votes

Losing the armorpen build wasn't the problem, he didn't even really lose it as it's still the best and most common build on him.

The problem was the extensive nerfs to his kit for the armor pen build becoming meta, then when it got nerfed his kit nerfs stayed, this isn't even counting the Fervor change that screwed him over extra hard.

His lane counters also became top picks (Caitlyn, Twitch) and the current junglers and jungle system shit on him.

Clockwork MouseJan 10, 20171 votes

I miss ghostblade.

General Esdeath Jan 10, 20172 votes

I miss DFG

Clockwork MouseJan 12, 20171 votes

Mages and ADCs get the shaft yet again.