@Riot Removal of Boots enchants are a nerf to Singed

Nekusen··2 votes·1,101 views

Ok, if Singed isn't moving, he isn't doing anything so item 1308 enchant is key for Singed to capitalize summoner 6

Will he get compensation buffs of some sort? Making mana (passive) give him MS or tenacity or something ?

And if not buff Singed , at least buff summoner 6 making it give bonus speed depending on level.

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Zarkkast4 votes

It's a nerf for everyone so no compensation is needed.

Waffletimewarp2 votes

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It's a nerf for everyone so no compensation is needed.

Just because everyone's getting nerfed doesn't mean everyone is getting hit the same amount. The nerfs to Ghost made it nearly worthless without distortion to bring it back up to snuff. Considering it's about mandatory on Singed to help him keep up when everyone and their mother has some kind of dash/kiting mechanism, this hits him hard.

Leeerzeichen2 votes

it's also a nerf for ADCs because item 1300 gets removed. it's a nerf for shen, annie, gragas, ... everyone who needs summoner 4 for some fancy combos. it's a nerf for every champion.

Nekusen1 votes

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it's also a nerf for ADCs because item 1300 gets removed. it's a nerf for shen, annie, gragas, ... everyone who needs summoner 4 for some fancy combos. it's a nerf for every champion.

but Singed needs to be moving or he basically can't do anything, as posion (his source of damage) is applied behind him. item 1300 gives the same passive as item 3044 so it's (kinda) by-passable.

Im not saying it doesn't affect everyone, but Singed is literally build around it, it's vital on him to be able to move fast or he is useless.

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Just because everyone's getting nerfed doesn't mean everyone is getting hit the same amount.

Leeerzeichen1 votes

Not everyone can build phage and even if you can build phage, phage + furor was stronger.

Nekusen1 votes

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Not everyone can build phage and even if you can build phage, phage + furor was stronger.

ADs can still do damage without furor, Singed can't do any damage if he can't, not only catch people but actually get in front of them, something no other champ needs to do., so not only he is slower, but he can use ghost less ofter.

its kinda like saying, adcs and Yasuo can play without item 3031, can they? well, yes, the technically can.

Leeerzeichen1 votes

Singed deals exactly the same amount of damage, so the IE example isn't a good example.

How should auto attack reliant champion do damage if they can't attack because their enemy has a similar amount movement speed?

Nekusen1 votes

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Singed deals exactly the same amount of damage, so the IE example isn't a good example.

How much damage does a Singed that can't run faster than you deals? The example goes to saying, sure, if you remove an item that is core to someone, you can still technically use them as they are still in the champion rooster.

How should auto attack reliant champion do damage if they can't attack because their enemy has a similar amount movement speed?

Singed not only has to outspeed the opponent, but leave him behind reliably, all he does is split-pushing and using poison to damage, sure, his splitpushing only gets weaker as he doesn't have a reliable escape, but he becomes unable to reliably apply his poison.

Can we at least agree that not everyone is hit equally by this change ?

Leeerzeichen1 votes

Singed: can't do damage, because he can't outspeed his opponent Furor user: can't do damage, because he gets kited or his opponent just walks away Exactly the same situation.

Yes, champion like the new cassio are not getting hit as hard as singed, but there are also champs who are getting hit equally or harder

Nekusen1 votes

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Singed: can't do damage, because he can't outspeed his opponent

as said before, singed needs to not only be faster, but enough to leave the opponent behind

Furor user: can't do damage, because he gets kited or his opponent just walks away Exactly the same situation.

yes they can, because they not only not need to leave the opponent behind, but furor is a kiting tool. they can still do damage, unlike singed.

it seems at this point you just realized you are wrong and won't quit arguing out of ego.

Twitch Chat1 votes

pretty sure the top singed players dropped ghost anyways

Nekusen1 votes

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pretty sure the top singed players dropped ghost anyways

hmmm, no, summoner 6 on Singed is a must.

will drop summoner 6 after this changes, actually, probably every one will drop summoner 6 for summoner 4 as there will be no reason to take ghost anymore.

and as a consequence drop using Singed

SkarSkarSkarner1 votes

You should be able to play without boot enchantments which is why the drop of all of them doesn't really matter that much.

Nekusen1 votes

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You should be able to play without boot enchantments which is why the drop of all of them doesn't really matter that much.

according to riot, after the Homeguard change, a lot of people were getting Alacrity which made skillshots harder to land and that was the issue, Singed comes in a different category as (as i said above) he is absolutely required to be moving to be able to do stuff as his source of damage is left behind him.

SkarSkarSkarner2 votes

And so like I said, you should be able to play without enchantments. If you are struggling even with ghost and boots, maybe use some movement speed runes.

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