I know Swain needed buffs, but holy shit, Riot.

Zarkkast·5/24/2016, 3:35:40 AM·3 votes·672 views

I just played a match against him, he's completely broken.

His damage is just too much and once he hits level 6 he's nearly unkillable.

On top of that he forces the opponent to stray from their optimal build path to go for Morello and Executioner's which in turns make him continue to massively out trade the opponent until later in the game.

Swain currently has a 58% winrate at games below 25 minutes and a 61% winrate at 25-30 minutes, his late game falls off to 51% which is ok.

The PBE nerfs do not address this at all. His damage powerspike at level 3 continues the exact same, with a very small nerf at levels 4 and beyond, and his sustain was only changed against champions. He will be weaker in late game teamfights but he will continue to hardly oppress his lane opponent by sustaining off minions. His early game damage and sustain needs to be addressed, not his mid/late game.

10 Comments

xl Kirito lx5/24/2016, 4:39:46 AM2 votes

I'm still surprised they buffed him so hard. Changing the healing to a flat amount instead a % of damage dealt was insane for Swain.

MunchCrunchLunch5/24/2016, 7:36:23 AM2 votes

so basically old swain? i hated going against a swain in lane. spams his point and click Q and just forces me to get out of lae.

ViashinoWizard5/24/2016, 7:37:38 AM2 votes

Yeah, he's got nerfs coming to Q's base damage and R's healing on the PBE.

The Deckowner5/24/2016, 3:43:51 AM2 votes

I feel lucky how small his playerbase is, considering his power right now.

Miror B5/24/2016, 4:22:42 AM1 votes

I actually tried swain with the tweaks, and I have to say he's probably the greatest user of zhonyas I've ever played (this coming from a former kennen/lissandra main). With it, he can literally flash/tp into a teamfight, pop his ulti, and use it to instantly gain the equivalent of a zilean ulti worth of healing. I wouldn't necessarily call him "broken", if anything he's like 5.11 mundo only with ranged wave clear.

Sythriel Draken5/24/2016, 4:16:10 AM1 votes

The only reason swain has that high of a win rate is people are still being stupid and not getting things like exectioners calling or morellos still.. or fighting him inside of a huge minion wave.. he has counters, people are just too god damn stupid (like a riot employee) to take them outside of the build path they see on champion.gg

EcchiOtakuTM5/24/2016, 3:43:24 AM1 votes

Making an AD stray from their build path for an 800g executioner is nothing.

And most AP(mid) take morello anyways and even on the off-chance the mid laner can't take it or your top laner can't build executioner you can just go even until your adc builds the 800g executioner(please enforce them not to complete it until end game too many players finish it so early for no reason).

That's just speaking of executioner and morello though swain is getting nerfed ofc but making those 2 items sound like a drag and horrible build is a disrespect to the items especially since it's a strategy game in the first place.