Brand support is so toxic to the lane. He has massive range and clear and damage yet is left untouched.
Zyra was deemed too oppressive and so mid lane Zyra was literally killed.
WTF is wrong with you Riot?
WubbaLubbaDubDab24 votesbrand support is a goddamn mistake.
z63XnLCMwX19 votesZyra has more range than brand. Zyra throws a spell and let her plants do all the work. Brand's stun is instantly blocked by a minion. It is way easier to proc arcane comment with zyra than it is with brand.
5050BS16 votesWrong Brand has more range on his Q and W, 900 and 1050 vs 800 and 1100 but Brands 1050 is center so it has his WHOLE radius more.
Brand lets his W hit have the lane and burn for 5s
Zyras Roots is the shortest of all Roots
Brand gets 
and Comet will always hit.
z63XnLCMwX11 votes
Wrong Brand has more range on his Q and W, 900 and 1050 vs 800 and 1100 but Brands 1050 is center so it has his WHOLE radius more.
Brand lets his W hit have the lane and burn for 5s
Zyras Roots is the shortest of all Roots
Brand gets
Did you factor in the plant's attack range into Zyra's total range? I'm not saying brand isn't oppressive, but if given a choice between laning against a good brand and a good Zyra, I'd pick laning against a good brand. Zyra's snare is 1100 range, I'm pretty sure it's 50 unit father than brand's Q.
5050BS2 votesZyras Plats currently are a non-factor. They live for less then 1 attack. This is the whole problem with RIots support Fix.
Brands Q is 900. His W is 1050 then add half its radius of about 200?
z63XnLCMwX2 votesZyras Plats currently are a non-factor. They live for less then 1 attack. This is the whole problem with RIots support Fix.
Brands Q is 900. His W is 1050 then add half its radius of about 200?
What are you smoking. Brand has a range of 900. The radius is 250 units. That means the max he can reach is 1025. Still 75 units under zyra's snare. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Brand
His Q is the one with the 1050 distance.
Rathar Dashing3 votesYou guys should check your math, radius is center-to-edge, not edge-to-edge. You're thinking of diameter.
Following this, Brand's W would have a maximum range of 1150. Though, realistically, that's just a sliver and hardly any real room to hit someone.
Furthermore, Brand's full combo, including CC, can only be done from 625 range (E-Q-W), or 750 if he's using his ult. Zyra's full combo, with CC, on the other hand, can be executed from around 1100 range, if you use the missile time to get in position for your Q. Her ult's radius is unknown, but at 700 range it's very likely that will be at least around 1000 range.
Furthermore, just going off pure range, Zyra's plants can spawn anywhere from 0 to 900 units away from her, with her guaranteed seeds from her W having 800 range. When activated by her Q, these plants can spawn from 800 units away, which then gain 750 range on their attacks, for a total of 1550 range (ignoring how generous the spawn area is). With her E, this range is similarly 1100 + 400 for the plants, giving her another tool with 1500 range. The only thing Brand can do that's similar is ult an enemy with 750 range, then have it bounce to another enemy, gaining an additional 750 range (1500 total). This would prioritize bouncing back to the original enemy, but if it was invalid or dead you could potentially increase the range by another iteration (2250 total) but this would be extremely unlikely and still require the use of a committed ult.
TL;DR you're both right, those two are f***ing annoying at long range.
z63XnLCMwX2 votes[{quoted}](name=Rathar Dashing,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=69pzWVYW,comment-id=000100000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-06-02T01:52:54.541+0000)
You guys should check your math, radius is center-to-edge, not edge-to-edge. You're thinking of diameter.
Following this, Brand's W would have a maximum range of 1150. Though, realistically, that's just a sliver and hardly any real room to hit someone.
Furthermore, Brand's full combo, including CC, can only be done from 625 range (E-Q-W), or 750 if he's using his ult. Zyra's full combo, with CC, on the other hand, can be executed from around 1100 range, if you use the missile time to get in position for your Q. Her ult's radius is unknown, but at 700 range it's very likely that will be at least around 1000 range.
Furthermore, just going off pure range, Zyra's plants can spawn anywhere from 0 to 900 units away from her, with her guaranteed seeds from her W having 800 range. When activated by her Q, these plants can spawn from 800 units away, which then gain 750 range on their attacks, for a total of 1550 range (ignoring how generous the spawn area is). With her E, this range is similarly 1100 + 400 for the plants, giving her another tool with 1500 range. The only thing Brand can do that's similar is ult an enemy with 750 range, then have it bounce to another enemy, gaining an additional 750 range (1500 total). This would prioritize bouncing back to the original enemy, but if it was invalid or dead you could potentially increase the range by another iteration (2250 total) but this would be extremely unlikely and still require the use of a committed ult.
TL;DR you're both right, those two are f***ing annoying at long range.
I stand corrected. I was thinking diameter. Brand do outrange Zyra without plants factored in.
KlydeFrog1 votesBrand needs to land 2 skillshots to stun zyra does not
5050BS3 votesZyra has ZERO stuns
Rathar Dashing1 votesYou're right, she has a knock-up, which is unaffected by tenacity.
5050BS2 votesJust walk out of the Ult.... The knockup happens at the end.
Rathar Dashing2 votesJust saying she has a "stun" Also "just walk out of the ult" doesn't work when you've been rooted for 2 seconds.
5050BS2 votesIt is not a Stun, its a Displacement. Its a short one too and easy to dodge same as her Roots....
Rathar Dashing4 votesBrand's E is not a skillshot.
Chef the Cook1 votes
Wrong Brand has more range on his Q and W, 900 and 1050 vs 800 and 1100 but Brands 1050 is center so it has his WHOLE radius more.
Brand lets his W hit have the lane and burn for 5s
Zyras Roots is the shortest of all Roots
Brand gets
if you're going to account for the radius of Brand's W to bump up the numbers on his range, you should also account the plant's auto range on top of Zyra's E which is 1100. From the wiki, it says that the plants range is 800 (I could be getting this wrong) on top of 1100 would be 1900 units. Zyra for sure has more range.
Shrek Luigi18 votesBecause Zyra has one of the most disgustingly-potent AOE CC's in the game.
You can't really aptly-compare the two since Zyra is more about zoning enemy champs, while Brand simply tries to goon people with his rotation & sucks at peeling. They are very different from each other.
3TWarrior10 votesdeath is the best CC!
XD
Kitten of Evil2 votesYeah, at the end of the day this really is the biggest difference. Zyra's linear snare that passes through minions is way stronger than Brand's super conditional stun that can be body-blocked.
It makes ganking her and her ADC very difficult because she just aims it in your general direction and you're snared, your JG is snared too, and maybe your support too.
Nankyoku14 votesBrand legit does 25% of most supports' hp in one W at level 2. He's annoying af to play against. Level 3 is sure kill with combo+ignite..
DoktorKaiser12 votesNot saying that Brand is ok, but compared to Zyra he is not frustrating at all because of 1 simple thing:
Brand misses skillshots - he deals 0 damage
Zyra misses skillshots - still takes 20% of your health
PopCorn Chick3n3 votesFalse statement. If you do your homework and read the old patches. Riot specifically removed that mechanic entirely because of lcs. Zara requires to land her spells or auto attack for plants to target enemy. So no if you don't land shit you ain't getting shit unless you literally the only target around plants.
DoktorKaiser1 votes[{quoted}](name=PopCorn Chick3n,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=69pzWVYW,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-06-02T17:14:11.826+0000)
False statement. If you do your homework and read the old patches. Riot specifically removed that mechanic entirely because of lcs. Zara requires to land her spells or auto attack for plants to target enemy. So no if you don't land shit you ain't getting shit unless you literally the only target around plants.
And a good Zyra will throw her abilities once you are near the seeds so that they hit you anyway even if you dodge them.
5050BS2 votes.... So a seed spawns near you and she opens up and you dodge and you are saying plants are now attacking you...
One of two things happened then.
Zyrannosaurus9 votesBrand support is so toxic to the lane. He has massive range and clear and damage yet is left untouched.
Zyra was deemed too oppressive and so mid lane Zyra was literally killed.
WTF is wrong with you Riot?
THIS. Zyra got gutted completely and Brand was left untouched --makes ZERO sense
D357R0Y3R14 votes? she has 54% win rate right now
CatSith10 votesas support, Hes talking about midlane zyra was gutted.
D357R0Y3R2 votesthen why did he bring up brand in the discussion?
CatSith10 votesHes said mid lane zyra was gutted for being too oppressive but brand wasn't. ( meaning brand is also too oppressive, but wasnt gutted.)
D357R0Y3R2 votesmid lane zyra wasn't oppressive and wasn't gutted
zyra was always only played support, she had like 99% of its players playing her supports and 1% playing her mid lane and she was hilariously broken in the support role
CatSith14 votesthen you my friend is new to League, Zyra was midlane before she became a support.
D357R0Y3R2 votesthen who the fuck cares abotu 2012 when the nerfs she received where in 2017, year where zyra's playerbase was
sup fucking port
5050BS12 votesZyra was made to be a Midlane Control mage. She was played a whole 2 season mid lane before someone took Veigar as support and that gave the idea to take Zyra and Brand support.
Riot then Nerfed the crap out of Zyra to the point she cant really be played her main role (mid). They did NOT nerf the crap out of Brand or Veigar.
FYI most Zyra players want to play her Mid lane about 65-70%.
Riot thought it was fine reverting LeB back to 2012 and Rengar so Midlane Zyras wants are valid. Stop being a child.
Attticus Finch3 votesBasically the OP made a shit argument. You could turn it around and ask why Zyra is allowed to be good support while Brand mid is garbage.
Right now both champions are mediocre to bad mid and strong bot lane. Any claims of favoritism are unfounded.
5050BS6 votes0_o
But Brand mid is not garbage
Marothennan7 votesThey are the same cancer tbh, both should be sent back to mid lane
NaturesMayhem7 votesEven when Zyra was a strong pick, very common in LCS when they even used MF support just to counter it. Brand was still far more oppressive, at least in low elo. He just spams everything in a team fight and all the AoE destroys my team.
FurriesAreHot5 votesWow, Plat+. Very specific and a good representation of her per-tier performance.
AirKingNeo7 voteshttps://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/diamond/plus/champion/Zyra/
58% in diamond plus...
FurriesAreHot2 votesHm. Fair enough.
hhaavviikk4 voteszyra plant RNG also doesn't help, you can have 2 seeds from your passive swan behind you and have em be useless or you can have 2 seeds from your passive spawn very close or even behind the enemy and get allot of free damage by just casting Q once
5050BS4 votesBrands Ult is also bigger then Zyras. Its range is how ever far it can chain.
Pika Fox3 votesE was nearly instant and long lasting AoE CC and R is also a large AoE CC.
Ahri Body Pillow5 votesAre we talking about Zyra right now? Her E is nowhere near instant. And long-lasting? For the longest time it only lasted .75 to 1.75 seconds, and that was only changed to 1-2 seconds this past patch. Also, her ult is only a CC if you actually stand in it. This is just plain false.
Pika Fox3 votesNo, back pre nerf on release.
Ahri Body Pillow3 votesoh.
yeah that bitch was fucking busted.
Pika Fox2 votesYeah. OP asked she was nerfed.
Chembaron Yamada2 votesAs someone who plays many melee supports: At least for me, playing against Zyra support is a nightmare. You are not allowed to play the game at all. If you try to engage, she just roots you in place with a complete garden blooming around you. You just lost a huge part of your health for nothing, since you are not able to reach her and the plants force you to retreat asap.
I prefer playing against a Brand support 1000 times more than a Zyra.
Thefrostyviking5 votesAs someone who plays many melee supports: At least for me, playing against Zyra support is a nightmare. You are not allowed to play the game at all. If you try to engage, she just roots you in place with a complete garden blooming around you. You just lost a huge part of your health for nothing, since you are not able to reach her and the plants force you to retreat asap.
I prefer playing against a Brand support 1000 times more than a Zyra.
How is Zyra any worse than brand in that situation?
You go anywhere near him and instantly eat a rotation that ontop of base damage deals a ton of max health % damage.
If he has ulti you´ll probably straight up die whilst Zyra only knocks you into the air if your marksman killed her plants.