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Riot a little while back- "We're nerfing Camille because she's unfun to lane against."

koshkyra··10 votes·1,009 views

If you're nerfing stuff that's unfun to lane against...

Pantheon needs a nerf towards melees Syndra needs a nerf towards anyone Ziggs ADC needs to be nerfed Jayce needs to be nerfed entirely Yasuo should have his ridiculous armor pen buff removed Caitlyn if your support isnt in lane ATM, you have no way of surviving longer than 20 seconds Lucian half your health is gone in a level-one trade with him after 2 seconds Ivern yeah i guess i didnt need my red and blue anyway (if we're counting the jungle as a "lane", since you technically have to compete with the enemy jungler for cs and ganks.) Draven Im a magician! Look what happens when i rightclick you. Poof, there goes 80% of your health! Blitzcrank oh, you were turret hugging? Too bad, now you're in the middle of the lane. Lulu what is "grevious wounds"?

Now lets get to the people you dont like to lane with..

Vayne "i know that im horrible during the laning phase, but im gonna try to all-in them at level 2 anyway. Dont help me tho, i want to put this in a highlight reel and it needs to be solo!" Shaco support: "my adc didnt need kills anyway". Annie support: "fine. I'll settle for getting 90% of the cs and you can have the rest."

I rest my case, riot.

19 Comments

Dokkaebi11 votes

Can I get the source of that quote? I remember her being nerfed just because she was straight up overpowered, especially in high elo.

koshkyra3 votes

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Can I get the source of that quote? I remember her being nerfed just because she was straight up overpowered, especially in high elo.

It was her very last nerf, ill try to find which patch it was and link it for you. Ill do an Edit if im successful to find the quote. (Ps: this is the nerf in which her healing against non-champions was removed.)

50000000000000004 votes

Patch 7.7 was her last nerf. (W sustain against minions removed, ult duration reduced at lower ranks) http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Camille (check under History tab)

Camille's in a much healthier spot than she was on release, but the Steel Shadow is still performing too well in certain scenarios, particularly the laning phase. As a hyper-mobile, high-damage diver, Camille is naturally potent when it comes to supporting ganks. Hextech Ultimatum is one of her strongest tools for locking down a target, but it lasts so long in the early game that opponents have almost no chance to escape their sharp demise. We’re leaving Hextech Ultimatum’s late game potency untouched, but hitting its early duration to give Camille's opponents at least a fleeting chance of living through a gank.

On the flipside, we also want Camille’s opponents to have more opportunities to successfully gank her. The Steel Shadow has plenty of tools to slip away from impending ganks, but easy sustain on top of that means she still tends to survive the encounters she doesn’t manage to dodge. Meaningful damage will now better stick to Camille, allowing enemy assailants to kill her when opportunities arise, or at least push her out of lane.

Bugfix on 7.4 7.3 (nerf all around)

If you’ve been following along with Camille’s trips to the patch notes, you may have noticed a theme: Camille does many things too well. When any champion jumps on you, you’ve got a choice: run, or fight back. However, Camille’s lockdown means you don’t get to run until it’s too late, while her high damage makes it difficult to successfully fight back. We’re slicing the Steel Shadow from both ends, improving her opponent’s odds whichever route they choose.

Another bugfix on 7.2

Hotfix on release patch (6.24)

Camille's gotten off to a more dominant start than anticipated, especially in lane where she's bullying opponents a bit too hard and snowballing too quickly off those leads. We're toning down her early game to give opponents a slightly longer window to keep the Steel Shadow down.

Nothing to do with frustration anywhere. It's always been about being overpowered.

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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It was her very last nerf, ill try to find which patch it was and link it for you. Ill do an Edit if im successful to find the quote. (Ps: this is the nerf in which her healing against non-champions was removed.)

No it wasn't, you're a liar and a bad person.

Eternal7915 votes

Yeah a lot of those champions are way less fun to fight than Camille, even when she was OP.

Rengooo2 votes

So you're saying all potential lane bullies should be nerfed? :/ Strong laners aren't an issue really, the issue is when they are strong or oppresive in lane and also scale extremely well late game.

Very Hard Engage2 votes

panth Q draws minion aggro.

Syndra R needs more balls on ground to ramp up harder, aka just 3-4 deals less than veigar amounts.

ziggs passive no longer procs on turrets.

jayce mana costs increased, more dependence on tear and less likely to rush flat pen.

yasuo actually has a cool down on his dash without ranks into it, like 4s / 3 / 2 / 1 / none.

koshkyra3 votes

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panth Q draws minion aggro.

Syndra R needs more balls on ground to ramp up harder, aka just 3-4 deals less than veigar amounts.

ziggs passive no longer procs on turrets.

jayce mana costs increased, more dependence on tear and less likely to rush flat pen.

yasuo actually has a cool down on his dash without ranks into it, like 4s / 3 / 2 / 1 / none.

I never mentioned ziggs taking turrets, and yases dash cooldown is 0.5/0.4/0.3/0.2/0.1 seconds. Please get your info right before hating.

BakedLotion3 votes

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I never mentioned ziggs, and yases dash cooldown is 0.5/0.4/0.3/0.2/0.1 seconds. Please get your info right before hating.

Im pretty sure hes suggesting nerfs

Joxcab1 votes

But he isn't.

BakedLotion3 votes

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But he isn't.

idk can people really be that dumb?

Joxcab1 votes

Yes, yes they can. It's almost depressing.

Faustavian1 votes

Shame Yas level up E first, Shame Syndra probably has a few more items on you anyways so it doesn't really matter, shame Ziggs is gonna execute towers anyways with his satchel Charge, shame Jayce is still gonna hit like a truck when it matters (early-mid), shame panth almost always has favorable trades since smart people chunk with Q -> go into bush, at pathetic mana costs.

Faustavian1 votes

Not gonna lie though, Level 2 can be disgusting on Vayne with thunderlords. AA - AA - Q - AA and it's 1/2 their health

Valor Bot1 votes

Laning against Camille has always felt a lot more interesting and nuanced to me than laning against the likes of Fizz / Jayce / Pantheon / Yasuo. Yes, she has that bullshit ultimate, but even if your champion lacks the tools to knock her out of the ult, she can't do anything to you inside of it anyway if you play your cards right (dodging the E, staying away from walls, remaining within the inner portion of her W, etc).

AirKingNeo1 votes

Riot never said that quote.

rtbf2216514121 votes

Blitz doesn't need a nerf. 3 skills and he's usefulness is gone for quite a while.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

Pantheon-buy doran shield+ninja tabi...

Syndra- uh...

Ziggs- just need a slightly lower threshold for sachel tbh nothing else.

Jayce-buy doran shield+ninja tabi...

Yasuo- honestly the armor pene is the only thing keeping yasuo broken, but there's nothing it could be replaced with which wouldn't cause his squishy killing power to go up HOWEVER at least tanks could actually do their job vs him. And they would 100% have to compensate him for removing the only thing strong about him (turning even a tank item into a better LW)

Caitlyn- got nerfed though....

Lucian- Gotta just dodge best you can to survive :D

Ivern- Laners should be helping with keeping ivern on guard rather than counter jungling.

Draven- Yes, even the adc should be buying ninja tabi, no exception. should always have 1 or 2 defensive buys for the adc. And ninja tabi are by far the easiest.

Blitz- They just gotta fix hitbox bugs.

Lulu- ban it. Lmfao, I don't dislike playing vs her but you gotta have some beastly rotations and map vision to pick someone off and make her less effective. Would say better peel than the goddess janna.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

I want Singed changes.

I don't give a shit if he's supposed to be uninteractive - just let me do something besides farm simulater 2017 and feel shitty about losing my tower. And then when he fights, don't let him fucking win by running around me, not even running away...

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