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I don't comprehend why swain and karthus got nerfed the way they did

KirbyCake··3 votes·1,351 views

swain's w is already bad, the delay is so long that you can walk out of it without shoes. it also costs a lot of mana with a high cd at low levels. why are you punishing people who landed a difficult skill shot? he already got nerfed with the deathfire touch nerfs so i see no reason to double nerf.

you're saying swain is pretty good with corrupting potion and deathfire touch. swain doesn't even get corrupting potion and brand is op with deathfire touch and only gets a 20 mana cost increase at MAX level. i can tell you brand is much stronger than swain right now. swain is not viable in competitive play and in master+ tier he gets a below 40% win rate. he already has enough counterplay with executioners calling and very low stickness and prone to kiting.

and then karthus is just not that good. only mains know how to play him well. if you get walled by karthus, either you dash away from him, or burst him down and then run. i have not seen a single karthus op thread in a while.

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Roguestoney3 votes

Karthus should not have been touched IMO

Best Aatrox NA2 votes

Karthus nerf was really minor so I guess it doesn't really matter. Swain was sleeper for 5.22-5.23 with deathfire touch, my diamond friend is a one trick pony swain main and he agreed. Swain has always been frustrating to play against if you can't deal with him early on, and given how optimized he was for masteries and meta, he needed a light touch up so that he could not shut people down or protect himself for too long.

DEADARCHIMODE1 votes

Ehhh it just the Karthus Still OP but the MAIN problem is coming with the new champs what i mean? the old champs didn't had so mutch combo-stun and they could take dmg from karthus now champs like Yasuo can just dash away and kill you because of the shield so KARTHUS is usefull NOW only enemy dont have healers or verry tanky champs Ehhhh for swain.... WELL hes mid mage if you have ganks and other stuff you will be fine but there is 2 kind of champs in the league High and low class champs and karthus, along with swain are... low..

KirbyCake2 votes

karthus used to be OP in season 2, now he just gets outclassed by all the new champions that has insane mobility. so why nerf him by reducing his slow?

dannykun1 votes

Karthus is very powerful in the current meta because his w slow is so strong he can easily land at least 2 q's on his opponent, and if he does it right (as many do) you can get both on just one champ, and the singled out damage is crazy powerful. He's oppressive as a lane opponent in higher level plays. For anyone gold and lower the change means little on him.

As for swain. DFT works so well on him that he can literally dot and deal a lot more damage while it's all amplified. So they kinda Took a stab at him in a way that doesn't completely ruin his damage. The root nerf is actually aimed at stopping Beatrice from refreshing DFT's damage. Getting out of range of beatrice is the only way to stop swain from DFTing someone to death, so they decided to shorten the root that allows Beatrice to go to full duration.

Habitz1 votes

If you're not placing Q on them before you W then you're doing it wrong. It's pretty hard to miss when you do that. And don't rely on using that in lane anyway. Focus on spamming E + Q and that'll be all you need.

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