Wukongs ult is an overlooked issue

awdaf··3 votes·808 views

His ult needs a bit of a rework. He builds Black cleaver and the rest tank, then proceeds to do whatever he wants and can 100-0 almost anyone within reason. His ult does way too much damage. Lets take a quick peak at how much damage his cult does.

Rank 1-3 respectively: 20/110/200

Okay, early game is pretty bad, that's like 250 damage with whatever items you have early game. But then rank two hits at level 11.

110 damage per second, thats 440 damage plus whatever damage Wu has built, if thats two damage items, that damage goes up to beyond 700-800. But wait, theres rank 3.

200 damage per second, with items puts this around 1200~ damage by itself. Now, I don't have that much of an issue with his damage, I mean, I do, but the main issue is how he dishes it out.

Lets analyze the regular Wukong combo.

Go invisible, E, Q, R.

The E Q are almost instantaneous, there is barely any counter play allowed with those two abilities, now, with black cleaver and armor reduction of his Q, you basically have no armor because of the shred he pushes out. This leads to his cult doing insane damage without any defense to buffer it. In Wukongs Ult description, it says that "Enemies affected by Cyclone for the first time are briefly knocked up." Briefly? More like 1.5 seconds, a Malphite ult is not brief, that's huge.

And theres no way you're getting away from his if you flash, he gets up to 40% bonus movement speed during the channeling and his E will be up around that time again anyway to bounce to you again and combo for another free 500 damage.

For any of you saying just buy a QSS, yeah, QSS works early game when he does no damage, but mid/late game, QSS only prolongs your death, which is good, but there is still almost no counter play to a Wukong with a brain.

That's just my opinion, I think he needs a bit of balancing, or change his ult to bonus AD so he has to be a glass cannon late game to do damage instead of building 2 damage items and the rest tank and still get 110% scaling on his ult.

16 Comments

Gary B Enkelis5 votes

I mean there are ways to knock him back.

At least one way.

Janna

And there is a way to stop him from sneaking into the team.

item 2043

I think this helps too item 3341 ?

He could use flash but that has about 5 minutes of cooldown.... And then he gets knocked back after the one knock up?

awdaf1 votes

Well, Janna isn't on my team every game, so, I'm talking Wukong in general.

Gary B Enkelis2 votes

Who else can CC him?

Alistar Malzahar (Malz ult is out of his range right?) Braum Elise Fiddlesticks Gragas Leona Nami Morgana Veigar

Others too?

awdaf1 votes

Just because they have CC, doesn't mean they automatically counter Wukong and you have a counter play against him, Wu can go invis from any side of the battle field and engage, doesn't have to be blatantly in front of you. All Wu has to buy is Merc treads and a lot of that CC is gone, either way, he will get to one or two people at least and ult them, and if the team is that busy trying to fend off one out of the enemy 5 opponents, the other 4 will just ravage the team because they are being overlooked and everything else is being wasted on stopping the Wukong from steam rolling the team. The only real counter I see here is Morg, a black shield does mess up Wukongs ult because he can't knock the person up, other than that, Wukong is a steamroller.

Gary B Enkelis1 votes

CC helps a lot... So does kiting away ... Detecting invis with item 2043 item 3341 ... Covering your sides with wards so you can try to see him before he clones... If you don't see him on the minimap then maybe it's reasonable to play as if he's about to dive (situation depending) ....

Several champions have range, CC, or escapes....

Items exist to help ...

Yes of course MonkeyKing is strong but it is not in every situation.

The initial knockup is annoying and the followup damage is strong, but he won't keep knocking you up, so you have options.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

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Well, Janna isn't on my team every game, so, I'm talking Wukong in general.

you arent always vs a wukong either

awdaf1 votes

Are you just saying that for arguments sake? This whole post is pointed toward when Wukong is IN the game.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

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Are you just saying that for arguments sake? This whole post is pointed toward when Wukong is IN the game.

ok say team picks MonkeyKing and your team have 4 more picks in champ select, do you pick for and against him or you just ignore their pick and pick whatever you want ?

as example last game i was last pick i was top, i see my team pick

Kindred Sona Karthus Caitlyn

and the enemy had selected Vayne Nautilus Veigar Leona Jhin

so as last pick i see we have no hard cc, no engage no tank and we are vs 2 adcs, and ap burst mage who is bad vs gap close... i think to myself how can i rectify my team comp and make it where we have a chance

i pick Malphite

i proceed to go 11-4-15 beat vayne so hard in top she leaves to go mid and send viegar to top.

there are ways to counter everything just gotta figure it out.

awdaf2 votes

A lot of the time, your team will not pick to counter a champion, they just pick champions they are comfortable with, what if the Wukong last picks? How was I suppose to counter that, again, this post is a general discussion of how his ult/kit needs balancing.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

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A lot of the time, your team will not pick to counter a champion, they just pick champions they are comfortable with, what if the Wukong last picks? How was I suppose to counter that, again, this post is a general discussion of how his ult/kit needs balancing.

well that is an issue all together that is why you win some and lose some. and if people blindly pick champs they are comfortable with and not have a range of champs they can play for differnt situations that is an issue as well. you kinda have to play wu like this, he is gonna kill some1 . dont let him kill all of u. so dont bunch up and he cant ult every1. where as rengar u wanna be bunched so you cant get easily picked off from his ult. and its not as much as the damage of his ult but how it can apply 6 stacks of cleaver easily in an aoe setting. so its more so the armor reduction of clever . another way to block from him getting easy knock on ult so you can counter play is item 3102 if he uses his decoy to come in and ult your shield will block the knock up so have time to react. also he gets more armor and mr the more champs he is around. making him tanker if he goes in vs a group instead of a solo.

Micbran1 votes

Change your team comp?

ofart2 votes

Wukong's perfect as is except it's too obvious from animations which is a clone or not.

I hope to see him picked at Worlds for the first time.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

wukong has been sleeper op for months now. and nobody is really caring. hes an assassin when it comes to burst. yet he can build 2-3 tank items. and still assassinate you. also his ult damage makes it near impossible to duel him with anyone but jax yi and such of those bruisers.

lighning231 votes

pick some one with a knockkback spell and wukong is pratically useless since he will never get in a fight with his ult.

TheStevenWu1 votes

Anyone who says wukong is strong with 1-2 items and then building full tank do not know what they're talking about. They were simply playing against a better skilled player and lost.

Wukong essentially needs 3 glass canon items - he must buy these first to stay viable mid game or else he'd just be a knock up bot hoping his team is better than yorus:

If laning, item 3074 item 3142 item 3071 If jungling, item 1408 (or other variants with warrior), item 3142 item 3071

it's also smart to buy offensive oriented boots like item 3009 , but you can opt for tank boots if you want

Now you can buy two tank/offtank items if you wish. Wukong plays as an assassin mid game and a bruiser late game - that's his role.

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