Quinn's iconic move is her blind as well as melee Valor, not Skystrike. @RiotRepertoir

kJs·Oct 30, 2015·5 votes·765 views

IMO, Skystrike isn't what I think of Quinn (and Valor) when I think of them. Please remove Skystrike and put the blind back on her Q as well as remove the Harrier proc on her Q. And if you don't want a melee form ADC then can you please consider turning Valor into a semi-Wolf (Kindred) companion who can deal decent damage to targets? Please?

Valor isn't a ferocious bird anymore, he's more like the annoying meddling parrot (no offence Meddler) that gives free taxi rides and of course vision.

It's quite a drastic gameplay change you're asking us to do and a lot of Quinn players don't like it.

Keep up the good work at Riot HQ.

9 Comments

Karn BishopOct 30, 20152 votes

I don't get why people seem to think that a permanent on demand homeguard channel is bad, its much better then that blind in terms of raw power while also being mechanically healthy. I get that you liked your aoe blind, but it is toxic to play against when vsing it and often resulted in feast or famine lanes.

From what ive seen so far new quin will be in a far better place then she was pre change.

kJsOct 30, 20152 votes

I think there should have been a way to retain the blind mechanic. Like a two ability combo that you have to do to proc the blind so that she can still be anti-Yi/Tryn/Yas/ADC.

I get that it would be easier to balance but honestly she's going to be so stale in my opinion.

My concern is that she's going to be less unique, less interesting and over all less fun which it seems will be the outcome of her rework.

valkathOct 30, 20151 votes

As someone who has played Quinn almost a thousand times, Karn is completely missing the point. The lack of Valor and him being a single target sivir ult with bonuses has now taken away a huge core of what Quinn was.

Quinn is no longer a unique marksman, Quinn has lost an escape, an engage, and an assassination tool.

She has gained too much power, which will result in her being gutted.

This path they are taking is wrong. To be frank, Valor was a champion in his own right, and is a much needed part of Quinn's kit for it to feel whole.

Yeah, I have a lot of biased opinions.

I also have great memories of escaping in the heat of the moment from an engage, and turning around that team fight, because Valor would get me out of trouble.

Now? If I get hit once, Valor ditches me and leaves me to die.

ProfDrDeathOct 30, 20151 votes

You get it.

With the blind, she could not get that cooldownless ult of hers.

SorryBoysImLesOct 30, 20151 votes

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I don't get why people seem to think that a permanent on demand homeguard channel is bad, its much better then that blind in terms of raw power while also being mechanically healthy. I get that you liked your aoe blind, but it is toxic to play against when vsing it and often resulted in feast or famine lanes.

From what ive seen so far new quin will be in a far better place then she was pre change.

Then they can take teleport and homeguards.

People act like they didn't read the fact that any damage slows her, and any damage from anything not a minion will knock her out of it and put it on cooldown. Her identity is a tag-team fighter. Hence the ult. Now she's the Roaming Ranger. Inb4 another unwanted title change.

Rek'sai has a good roaming ult, Rek'sai has good CC and engage. Tahm Kench is a roaming ult, Tahm Kench has good CC and engage. Twisted Fate is a roaming ult, Twisted Fate has...I think you see where I'm going.

Her's is a "scoot over there and hope nobody notices me beelining towards them and just knocks me out of my ult."

No one has been able to explain yet how Quinn is going to engage...Against anyone with any form of ranged attack it's not going to work. Throw a skill/AA out and now she doesn't even get the skystrike damage (as if it even matters) and anyone she attempted to engage on just walks away.

And anyone who is a melee champion is more than likely just going to face-roll her as soon as she gets close because she has no blind to defend herself against the likes of Darius, Riven, any bruiser.

She's going to be a mid-laner? What's she going to do against everyone that either A. Completely outranges her and makes laning hell, or B. Is an AD assassin that is just going pop her like a zit because she has no dueling power anymore. Can you imagine a Zed, Talon against her? One combo and she's gone.

If they're insistent on this ult, at a minimum, they need to remove the knock-out effect from champion damage.

Big LincolnOct 30, 20151 votes

she really wont'

blind was what she relied on when trying to make a comeback , now she has nothing if she's set back

Lost In TimeOct 30, 20151 votes

Um, no, Quinn's identity is being the anti-ADC.

While she's a poor teamfight carry, she can easily mobilize and delete any squishy solo farming a lane, usually the enemy ADC.

The blind is stupidly oppressive in her kit, allowing her to win trades while bursting you down with double Harrier procs because you can't retaliate with autos.

kJsOct 30, 20151 votes

You basically reiterated what I said. Blinds are for anti-AAs therefore anti-ADC.

You can also dodge her Q skillshot quite easily tbh as Quinn and a lot of ADCs have abilities that let them get out of melee range from Valor, as well as supports who can peel for their carries. It's almost similar to playing against Malzahar, just don't roam by yourself. It's not like Quinn scaled well compared to other ADCs into mid and late anyway. Caster ADCs do quite well against her. Mages shit on her and Assassins have no problem deleting her.

It's like saying Darius shouldn't be lane oppressive when he is (almost) fine in terms of gameplay and balance.