Who thinks Vayne and Lucian she be listed as Allies?

kJs··51 votes·3,268 views

They are both monster hunters. One is an Undead Hunter, specifically against Shadow Isles characters such as Thresh, Karthus, Hecarim, Mordekaiser, Yorick, maybe even Sion. The other is a Night Hunter, specifically against "humans turned to evil" monsters like Vladimir, Warwick, I guess Sion and Dr. Mundo.

Lucian Vayne They would make an amazing pair.

EDIT: should Just noticed that, god damn.

Don't forget to upvote if you agree and downvote if you disagree.

EDIT II: Two champions allied just because they share one philosphy, Syndra andZed. Vayne and Lucian ought to be listed as allied ASAP. Come on.

59 Comments

Ultîma13 votes

I could totally see Vayne and Lucian being part of the same caste of Demacians who defend the world against the occult and evil. In fact, this would be a brilliant opportunity to expand the lore of Demacia as a whole by exploring these characters a little more. Beyond Lucian's revenge against Thresh, we know very little about him - and even less about Vayne. I want to know their purpose in the society they live in, and why they would have chosen a life like this.

Kitsuki0510 votes

They could be a part of... THE DEMACIAN INQUISITION

A Superb Villain8 votes

I didn't expect that.

frigginmurlocs1 votes

nobody expects the inquisition

Saint Haven2 votes

I’m finding this 2 years prior to it being posted, but I just needed to thank goodness you for this: thank you. Thank you so very much.

Lowvyr1 votes

{quoted}

I could totally see Vayne and Lucian being part of the same caste of Demacians who defend the world against the occult and evil. In fact, this would be a brilliant opportunity to expand the lore of Demacia as a whole by exploring these characters a little more. Beyond Lucian's revenge against Thresh, we know very little about him - and even less about Vayne. I want to know their purpose in the society they live in, and why they would have chosen a life like this.

Vayne decided to hunt evil-doers because her parents were slaughtered by a witch, if I remember correctly.

Bob Leguan1 votes

There are no African Demacians

Rito Staff9 votes

They totally have a theme going on, it's the same universe. Ghosts, undead, spirits, demons, draculas, vampires, werewolfs... all monsters in the eyes of humans.

They wouldn't be working together from start but their paths could totally cross.

Vayne reminds me a lot of Van Helsing (movie) :| in which there was an order who defended humanity against these beasts.

Remlap12239 votes

Wait, a Vayne thread on the boards that isn't about how she's the most OP shit in the history of the game?

UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!1!


In all seriousness, I never knew why they weren't. I assume Lucian would consider any types of undead abominations, much like I'd assume that Vayne would lump zombies in with "vampires" and werewolves.

ninjaIRL 1 votes

BEHOLD.

Trylobyte6 votes

The only reasoning I can see here as to why they aren't allies is simply that they're both loners. They might acknowledge that the other is doing a good thing, and might even work together from time to time, but wouldn't really develop the friendship and camaraderie required to be considered friends or allies.

SpongebobIsLife1 votes

kinda like spider-man and catwoman, or bat-man and bat-girl

Noctius284 votes

THEY could totally be the "savior" of the Harrowing rito mentioned

We always get "Evil taken by the mist" skins for Harrowing but no skins for the ones fighting the Harrowing

Just some examples I would have loved Gangplank/Miss Fortunate - Defenders of Bilgewater (clad in runic sailor armor) Nautilus - Battle broken (after he took on a portion of the mist by himself) Lucian/Vayne - Evil Hunters (Van Helsing/Bloodborne inspired) Garen/Lux - Demacian Exorcists (Black templar-ish) Tristana/Veigar/Teemo - B.C.D.F. Bandle City Defense Force (Armed to the teeth with relic weapons) Caitlin/Vi/Ekko/Jinx - Piltover Guardians (The perfect mix of steampunk tech and magic relics) Heimerdinger/Jayce/Ashe/Jarvan/Swain/Azir - Strategy Group (Group suit of autorithy) Trundle/Darius/Sion/Jax/Galio/Poppy/Nasus - Front Line Enforcers (Ready to take the mist head on in full runic armor)

Yes I know some of these mixes are not from allies (I know Ekko is from Zaun), but these skins were to show how, in the Harrowing, everyone put their differences aside to save the world Even to villains (they can't conquer the world if there is no world to conquer)

One big war of epic proportions, one that would change Runeterra forever

We need a "Heroes of the Harrowing" event after the Harrowing

To celebrate those who put their ego and hate aside to save Runeterra from the greater evil To honor those who risked everything to keep the world safe!

Please Riot!

Ebonmaw Dragon5 votes

{quoted}

Tristana/Veigar/Teemo - B.C.D.F. Bandle City Defense Force (Armed to the teeth with relic weapons)

Veigar What, what, WHAT? I would prefer to work with the undeads before working alongside that RAT! Go and call Rumble instead.

Chaotic Reks4 votes

because of "black magics"

kJs2 votes

Raycis!!

Vincent Lucius

His guns are magic drive by weapons. The blackest magics ever seen.

Only Play Darius3 votes

Lucian hunts the undead and has his own agenda.

Vayne hunts users of black magic and serves the interests of Demacia.

There is literally nothing similar about them.

Shadowkirby1413 votes

They're both Demacians (semi-independent), in case if you have forgotten. They're both Hunters, one for undead and one for black-magic users.

Honestly, I think they should have a pairing skin set. Lucian and Vayne do look much like Blade and Van Helsing. So...... Vampire Slayer skins?

Narasimha1 votes

That's like saying Batman and the Flash are similar. Both are masked vigilantes who fight crime to make the world a better place.

But they're not.

Rito Staff2 votes

-_- they are by your definition. "Both are masked vigilantes who fight crime to make the world a better place."

What are the Avengers then? Masked Vigilantes who fight crime to make world a better place? Who were originally separated untill someone not that bright thought how cool it would be to put them together?

Batman and Flash are from different comics so no.

But Vayne and Lucian are in the same world, and do similar work. They could meet.

Argon Falcon2 votes

Justice League...

kJs7 votes

Flash is DC, Batman is DC, they are even in the Justice League together.

Rito Staff2 votes

Ahh I thought flash was marvel

Bob Leguan1 votes

No, Sonic is Marvel

frigginmurlocs1 votes

No, Darth Vader is Marvel

Rito Staff1 votes

more like Monster Slayer :|

AutoreactiveCD46 votes

Depending on how you define black magic then there could be a lot of overlap between undead and black magic. Both are agile shooters so they could trade tips on that. They're methods may not be the exact same but parallels are abundant. Not to mention they are both probably extremely damaged, obsessed and know loss.

It basically Batman and another Batmanesque character.

UomoAfide2 votes

I see Vayne and Lucian like Warhammer inquisitors. Vayne the Witch Hunter of Hordo Hereticus, and Lucian as the Malleus/Xenos Inquisitor. Different techniques but same goal after all, get rid of evil.

Stars Shaper2 votes

Or a cross over.. give Vayne guns and Lucian x-bows.

Star Guardían2 votes

I could see Senna and Lucian being Vayne's mentors/god parents after her parents died when she was 14.

LithiumWednesday2 votes

I think you missed the part about Lucian hunting wretched abominations

Szunray1 votes

They should totally be partners.

"One hunts undead, and one hunts black magic users." There's a ton of overlap there Karthus Mordekaiser

They could make a lore event where the two of them hunt for Elise

Or as one user suggested, make a skin set where Lucian uses crossbows and Vayne uses guns

Norr1N1 votes

Both seem more like the solo types. Could see a teamup along with other characters who fend off the forces of darkness if needed (like Karma maybeh), but as you said they have their own independant goals. Not partners, could be more like drinking buddies tbh like Batman/Superman cafe.

Melledoneus1 votes

There's a reason they aren't allies.

"You took the better half of me, Vayne! All you left was a bursty enemy."

Slamurai Jack1 votes

Lucian and Vayne would be allies the same way Krillin and Goku are allies. They're technically on the same side but we all know who's actually getting things done.

kJs1 votes

Ouch.

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

Something something Riot finds it more engaging if champions rarely interact with each other.

In all seriousness who knows? I think there might be some ego issues. Lucian lost someone close to him. Senna was a hunter too. Vayne just seems like a loner. I think they'd be afraid of having attachments, even professional ones.

kJs1 votes

Yeah it would be an interesting relationship. I feel like Vayne will work with him but deters any emotional attachments because that would interfere with her main goal. Cleanse the world of evil. So if she was to choose between saving Lucian and permanently denting the power of all evil in its roots I think she would go for the latter.

Lucian would probably admire Vayne because of how she lived through the death of her very own parents. Having his lover killed is incredibly difficult to overcome but Vayne lost both her parents and had an amazing transformation from privileged brat to hardcore monster slayer.

ABlueQuaker1 votes

They're just as likely to have conflicting ethics or morals or practices or that they could have big egos and get in each other's way.

It's a bit presumptuous to assume that just because they fulfil similar roles they'd be Allies.

Heck, Demacia and Noxus probably have mutual interests and they're polar opposites..

kJs1 votes

Syndra and Zed probably have the same confidence in themselves and maybe even more so considering how much raw power Syndra can control and how Zed leads an entire clan of new age dark ninjas. They are allies.

But somehow Lucian and Vayne aren't popularly accepted as allies?


Both nations want to make their states great. Demacia is a socialist state, albeit more monarchial in approach. Garen: "Never forget why we fight." Meaning don't forget that we are fighting to protect the innocent and defenceless.

Noxus really doesn't give a crap about its people's welfare. Be strong, and powerful and forget the weak. If you die, no one is going to give a damn. Sion: "Forget the faces of the slain." You've died, who cares, you do not exist anymore be it physical or ethereal therefore you have no impact in the world. You are nothing.

They conflict each other greatly, they can't ever be allies.

ABlueQuaker1 votes

That's because what they want is so specific. They want to be free of any confines for the sake of, quote, 'limitless power'.

Meanwhile, Lucian is more akin to the likes of Garen and Jarvan - righteous and what not. I tend to see Vayne as more of a Vigilante, Anti-Hero type character. She's motivated by revenge. Lucian is just doing what he's always done but with more meaning and motivation.


As for Noxus and Demacia, they're really 2 sides of the same coin. They represent Order and Chaos - not Good and Evil. They actually have very similar interests they just have contrasting ways of achieving it.

kJs1 votes

Lucian:

She was everything to me... but they took her, and with her, they took my kindness, and my mercy. That was their mistake, because now, all I've got left is a cold heart.

Lucian became a man of dark determination, one who would stop at nothing to purge the undead from the face of Runeterra.

Vayne:

By the time she was a fully grown woman, she had become a grim warrior.

Demacia needed a protector, one who hunted those lost to the darkness.

It is said that those who practice the black arts quake when they hear that the Night Hunter is on the prowl.

They have very similar personalities against very similar, generic, evil with very similar emotionally changing experiences.


I see Lucian as having a very dark, serious and determined personality wrapped in light. His clothing is light coloured, his weapons have light colour schemes and his abilities are white, representing purity and innocence. His personality no longer reflects the pleasantness that comes along with white because after Senna's death he changed into a relentless killer. Heck, even his skin colour follows the idea. Not being racist here just pointing out the contrast of colours and how it follows the idea that I outlined. His general visage and personality, I don't think, is akin to Garen or Jarvan IV who have the luxury of royalty, general power and loved ones.

Vayne, I feel, has a calmer, but still ferocious attitude towards the black arts and monsters in general. She reminds me of Geralt of Rivia. Weapons are medieval. She is cold but calculating, she has to be because unlike Lucian, who wields powerful magical relic weapons she relies on a more crude though more accessible weapon type, crossbows. She has as much determination as Lucian but she does not do her job to avenge her parents, that was probably sated a long long time ago. She does so, more because she thinks it is right unlike Lucian who still mourns the death of Senna and does his work (atm) more for revenge.

Whereas you have Noxus and Demacia who will never get along because their basic fundamental ideologies completely contradict each other they can't ever be in the same workplace or room.


Vayne and Lucian have similar goals in mind, their ideologies don't really contradict neither do their methods. Syndra and Zed have one goal in mind, more and more power and the rejection of the ideology of balance and harmony. They don't care much for each other's methods.

Whereas Noxus and Demacia, in no sense of the world, fiction or non-fiction, will ever get along with their current ideology. Because fundamentally they contradict each other, they do not approve of each other's methods. You can't place the relationship between Lucian and Vayne with Noxus and Demacia in the same category.


I feel like Riot's lore team don't communicate enough with the rest of the other teams, or the champion creation team don't communicate with the lore team, in some champions, about how they could fully integrate their champions into the world and keep the immersive nature as well as keep the consistency of the lore.

Alëk1 votes

http://i.imgur.com/pWrZCzM.jpg

I smell.... Black Magics

Arakadia1 votes

YES!!!

Helmight1 votes

Had to do a bit of digging, but found the post I was looking for. Note that this is from the Lucian AMA held on reddit (summary doc here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l3veefoTFYgrn_KO0BrkluNyL3Ap-VYJeMCD5vycSaA/edit?pli=1 )

Q: [juffery]What's the difference between The Purifier and The Night Hunter, both thematically and lore-wise? Vayne and Lucian's jobs seem extremely similar to me. Is hunting the supernatural a common occupation in Demacia?

A: [RiotRunaan]You're right, they are very similar on a base thematic level ("hunters of evil"), but they're essentially two sides of the coin - think of it in terms of darkness and light. Lucian and Senna hunted evil with its natural opposite, righteous magic intended to destroy corruption. They were also protectors; their motivation hinged on saving innocents in need as much as it did purging corruption. They were beloved heroes. Vayne, on the other hand, is more of the Batman of Runeterra - she's hell-bent on destroying the supernatural, but she is not afraid of using underhanded methods and turning the darkness against itself. Her methods are not always smiled upon by greater society. Personally, the similarities between them alongside the subtle differences are a really interesting opportunity for future interaction. They wouldn't get along, but they'd share incredibly similar goals - perhaps they'll end up reluctantly fighting a common threat one day. Who knows?

Lucian and Vayne are fundamentally not allies based on the differences in their philosophies. Batman and the Punisher aren't allies, even though they share similar goals, because their methods of effecting change are so opposed to one another. I could see Lucian and Vayne being acquaintances, and perhaps giving information to one another every so often, but allies? Definitely not.

frigginmurlocs1 votes

{quoted}

Batman and the Punisher aren't allies, even though they share similar goals, because their methods of effecting change are so opposed to one another.

No, they aren't allies because they are from different publishers

Helmight1 votes

Whoops. Nerd cred just fell through the floor there. Thanks for the catch :P

At any rate, the point above still stands.

More from Story, Art, & Sound

More by kJs